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#287325 - 04/28/16 06:48 PM Re: Global warming [Re: bigswede]
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I bigswede of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union ....

O wait a sec .... your name is not mentioned .... and in fact no one's name is mentioned .... it is a collective .... it is a group effort .... and it is for all people

WE the PEOPLE of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union ....


yes .... WE and PEOPLE ... not I and bigswede

why is this so hard to understand

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AGW denial is one of the main tenets of conservative ideology .... why would you want to deny this????

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Your Watts link is misleading. The graphic is meant to insinuate 10k scientists are all working on AGW and only a few responded. The number 97.4% represents the number of climatologists who wrote peer reviewed papers in which they derived a conclusion regarding AGW.

This is like any scientific field. Almost no one works on the whole theory and many people work on various aspects of the theory. See if you can figure out why and how it applies.

The problem for your "scientists" is when they presented articles for peer review they failed either on the science or the mathematics (modelling) or both. If they can not get the science or the mathematics right, how are any of their conclusions correct???
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#287326 - 04/28/16 07:28 PM Re: Global warming [Re: rporter314]
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You did not understand anything of the criticism of how the survey was performed, did you?
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#287327 - 04/28/16 08:36 PM Re: Global warming [Re: bigswede]
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2004 - Oreskes analyzed 928 papers written between 1993 and 2003 and determined those papers which dealt directly with climate change all agreed on the position of AGW.

"In 2007, Harris Interactive surveyed 489 randomly selected members of either the American Meteorological Society or the American Geophysical Union for the Statistical Assessment Service (STATS) at George Mason University. 97% of the scientists surveyed agreed that global temperatures had increased during the past 100 years; 84% said they personally believed human-induced warming was occurring, and 74% agreed that "currently available scientific evidence" substantiated its occurrence." wiki

2008 - Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch conducted a survey in August 2008 of 2058 climate scientists from 34 different countries. 84% agree in large part.

2009 - "A poll performed by Peter Doran and Maggie Kendall Zimmerman at University of Illinois at Chicago received replies from 3,146 of the 10,257 polled Earth scientists. Results were analyzed globally and by specialization. 76 out of 79 climatologists who "listed climate science as their area of expertise and who also have published more than 50% of their recent peer-reviewed papers on the subject of climate change" believed that mean global temperatures had risen compared to pre-1800s levels. Seventy-five of 77 believed that human activity is a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures. Among all respondents, 90% agreed that temperatures have risen compared to pre-1800 levels, and 82% agreed that humans significantly influence the global temperature. Economic geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters, with only 47 percent and 64 percent, respectively, believing in significant human involvement." wiki

2010 - "paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States (PNAS) reviewed publication and citation data for 1,372 climate researchers and drew the following two conclusions:

(i) 97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC (Anthropogenic Climate Change) outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers." wiki

2013 - "paper in Environmental Research Letters reviewed 11,944 abstracts of scientific papers matching "global warming" or "global climate change". They found 4,014 which discussed the cause of recent global warming, and of these 97.1% endorsed the consensus position." wiki

2012 - "James L. Powell, a former member of the National Science Board and current executive director of the National Physical Science Consortium, analyzed published research on global warming and climate change between 1991 and 2012 and found that of the 13,950 articles in peer-reviewed journals, only 24 rejected anthropogenic global warming. A follow-up analysis looking at 2,258 peer-reviewed climate articles with 9,136 authors published between November 2012 and December 2013 revealed that only one of the 9,136 authors rejected anthropogenic global warming" wiki


I guess I did not understand the criticism. Do you understand the results of these analysis of papers written about climatology - overwhelmingly 98% of climatologists agree with the hypothesis of AGW
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#287328 - 04/28/16 08:38 PM Re: Global warming [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
AGW denial is one of the main tenets of conservative ideology .... why would you want to deny this????

Because, everything for the penny-pinching, tightwad, stingy conservative is about MONEY. Any money spent on the collective is wasteful - so goes conservative thought. Everyone is a individual - so pull your ownself up by your own bootstraps - is the conservative thinking.

In other words: I got mine and me and mine got ours - so go fvck yourself.

Also too, the cheap and chintzy sons of bitches loath that the government "takes their hard-earned money" (read: taxes them) and turns around and spends those tax monies on layabouts who don't work. Never mind that we still live in bigoted society where not everyone has equal chance at getting good paying jobs - or a job at all, for example.
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#287332 - 04/28/16 11:24 PM Re: Global warming [Re: bigswede]
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I trust my family.

Is that trust based on Free Market principles, or some socialist kinda stuff? devil
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#287335 - 04/29/16 02:48 AM Re: Global warming [Re: logtroll]
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The claim that 98% of climate scientist agree on AGW has been thoroughly refuted long ago.


a) not thorough, and b) not refuted. This is a GREAT example of the selective reading/reasoning that I object to. The premise of the article is that the figure is based upon a single survey, which is patently not true!. This is exactly how the denial community works. In fact there have been multiple surveys.
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Several surveys have been conducted of the opinions of scientists on anthropogenic climate change. They have generally concluded that the majority of scientists accept that human activity is contributing to global warming.
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#287337 - 04/29/16 05:43 AM Re: Global warming [Re: rporter314]
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The Oreskes study was done in a time when the alarmists worked undisturbed because the realist thought the debate would come to it's senses. Orestes herself is admittedly biased, shown by her book Merchants of doubt.

When we come to surveys done later on, it had become clear to many in Academia that there was a political demand to produce alarmist views, with the own job at stake.

When conducting surveys it is crucial to pose questions with only one interpretation and not give away a preferred answer. The climate surveys all miss that mark, which makes it impossible to reach any conclusion of the statistic validity of the survey.
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#287338 - 04/29/16 05:55 AM Re: Global warming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Yes, refuted.
And once again. Science is not a game of consensus.

The bias of the alarmists is in no way less than that blamed on the realists.

There still remains the task of showing, not guessing, not bowing to political pressure or vested interests, the anthropogenic component of the warming trend.

There we are. I can't really see this debate go any further until we agree on that.
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#287341 - 04/29/16 12:15 PM Re: Global warming [Re: bigswede]
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This is the kind of trouble that Alarmists get into after work at the Clock Factory. They get their jollies from running around screaming, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!", even though practically no one believes them (2-3% in any case).

Maybe if they could work more overtime things would not be so bad?
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#287342 - 04/29/16 03:02 PM Re: Global warming [Re: logtroll]
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Yeah, Chicken Little comes to mind.
As do the Emperor's New Clothes.
The Emperor (IPCC) is really naked, no matter what the phony weavers, the apologetic butlers and footmen say.


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