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#286820 - 04/17/16 08:36 PM Let's check in on the cattle abusers, deadbeat grazers, wildlife squatter Bundys
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via TV12 Portland

Whoo boy, Friday was a day in Federal court in Las Vegas for the Bundy Cabal because of their armed standoff two years ago with the Bureau of Land Management at Cliven Bundy's ranch in Bunkerville, NV. (Great name for a paranoid conservative Sovereign Citizen to live! laugh )

Despite their best sovereign-citizen legalomancy attempts, they were not set free and commended for patriotism. Instead, Magistrate Judge George Foley Jr. entered not guilty pleas for all five men after they refused to do so (among the many dumb things that sovereign citizens believe is that they can evade court authority by not saying certain phrases). Then everyone had to sit around for an hour and a half listening to the 16-count indictment being read, at the defendants’ insistence.

There was some entertaining stupidity, too. While Ryan Bundy is acting as his own lawyer ( LOL ) in Nevada, Ammon’s attorney from Oregon was in court until he got himself thrown out for using his cell phone while the indictment was being read. Hey, it was boring!

Fellow goofballs Blaine Cooper, Ryan Payne and Brian Cavalier (aren’t those great porn names?) had the same complaints for Judge Foley. Then they added some SovCit nonsense about proper jurisdiction, and tossed a pocket constitution onto the prosecutor’s table. This isn’t your normal pocket constitution, btw; part of the mystique of the Branch Dildonians is their fetishization of an insane annotated version by John Bircher and all around loon W. Cleon Skousen.

So now all 19 of the jerks who pointed guns at the BLM (ALLEGEDLY) have been indicted for their 2014 gun-pointing, while seven face trial in Oregon (including these five).

Meanwhile, the poor cows who are the cause of all the trouble continue to suffer because none of the Bundys are better at ranching than they are at constitutional law. Hundreds of the half-starved, completely undomesticated beasts are still wandering untended on federal land because...again, none of the Bundys are very good at ranchin'. smile
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#287233 - 04/27/16 04:59 PM Re: Let's check in on the cattle abusers, deadbeat grazers, wildlife squatter Bundys [Re: pdx rick]
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Let's check-in on our favorite SovCit Crime Family and see what they and their defense team are up to now! smile

Welp, it seems that stoopid has stoopid for a defense team because Ammon Bundy's special kinda stoopid defense attorneys are taking cues from Ammon.

Bundy’s attorney, Lissa Casey, filed a motion Friday arguing that the federal government has no authority to try Bundy for any of the “crimes” he’s charged with in taking over the Malheur Federal Wildlife Refuge, since the federal government has no constitutional authority to own land in the first place. The brief filed last Friday alleges that the Constitution says:

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"only intended to give broad federal power of property in Territories, as the Founders contemplated the expansion westward."

"Once statehood occurred for Oregon, Congress lost the right to own the land inside the state...


In 1935, the Supreme Court of the United States settled the matter of who owns the Malheur Wild Refuse property and found "that the federal government has an incontrovertible claim to the refuge's wetlands and lakebeds, dating back to the 1840s, when Oregon was still a territory."

The decision rested on whether the waters of the Malheur refuge were "navigable" at the time Oregon became a state. That's because, under the acts of Congress that admitted new states to the union, ownership of navigable waterways was automatically conveyed to the state.

Guess Bundy's defense team didn't get that memo. coffee
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#287235 - 04/27/16 05:22 PM Re: Let's check in on the cattle abusers, deadbeat grazers, wildlife squatter Bundys [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Guess Bundy's defense team didn't get that memo. coffee


My bad, apparently Bundy's defense team is aware of this ruling and their game-plan is to argue that it's wrongly decided. When the prosecution points out that SCOTUS decisions are the "Supreme Law of the Land," Bundy's will point out that the SCOTUS is fallible and has been wrong before and will cite Dred Scott.

Now you're up to speed on the SovCit Crime Family. smile


Edited by pdx rick (04/27/16 09:13 PM)
Edit Reason: changed to fallible
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#287236 - 04/27/16 06:04 PM Re: Let's check in on the cattle abusers, deadbeat grazers, wildlife squatter Bundys [Re: pdx rick]
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SCOTUS is infallible

I think you meant fallible.

(See, we're paying attention here.)

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#287243 - 04/27/16 07:12 PM Re: Let's check in on the cattle abusers, deadbeat grazers, wildlife squatter Bundys [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
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SCOTUS is infallible

I think you meant fallible.

(See, we're paying attention here.)

Yes, my mistake, but we know that, like the Pope ex-cathedra, the SCOTUS is infallible. smile
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#287244 - 04/27/16 08:24 PM Re: Let's check in on the cattle abusers, deadbeat grazers, wildlife squatter Bundys [Re: pdx rick]
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At least until they decide to overturn an old decision. They do that usually many decades or even centuries later, and have done it very rarely. I doubt they will EVER overturn the right of the federal government to own property, since almost all property has started out owned by the federal government. Deciding that would destroy the title chain of most property in America! And they REALLY hate to make decisions that will impact the courts.

Likewise, I think almost every federal court is going to ignore all of this sovereign citizen nonsense because any recognition of their claims would create a mess in the court system.

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#287247 - 04/27/16 08:57 PM Re: Let's check in on the cattle abusers, deadbeat grazers, wildlife squatter Bundys [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Likewise, I think almost every federal court is going to ignore all of this sovereign citizen nonsense because any recognition of their claims would create a mess in the court system.

...and the fact that SovCit's interpretation of the Constitution is simply twisted logic based upon missing or wrong facts. Hmm
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#287292 - 04/28/16 03:38 AM Re: Let's check in on the cattle abusers, deadbeat grazers, wildlife squatter Bundys [Re: pdx rick]
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Isn't it funny that SovCit sounds so much like Soviet?
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#287297 - 04/28/16 04:05 AM Re: Let's check in on the cattle abusers, deadbeat grazers, wildlife squatter Bundys [Re: pdx rick]
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When you READ it, maybe.
When you HEAR a SovCit speak, they sound like Jim Jones or David Koresh.
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#287823 - 05/11/16 04:33 PM Re: Let's check in on the cattle abusers, deadbeat grazers, wildlife squatter Bundys [Re: pdx rick]
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So what's new with the Bundy SovCit idiots? Welp, welfare rancher and dumbass militia icon Cliven Bundy upped his legal game yesterday, Tuesday, filing a lawsuit naming Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro, the federal judge in his Nevada criminal case, as defendants. Among other things, Bundy wants immediate release from prison, all charges against him dropped, $50 million in damages, and perhaps a really nice potted plant for the Mrs. smile

At the very least, Bundy wants to be represented by wingnut lawyer and complete dipsh!t Larry Klayman, and to have Navarro removed from the case because she’s incredibly biased against him, allegedly:

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“In short, defendant Navarro has shown her true intentions and bias and prejudice, rising to the level of denying Sixth Amendment right of counsel and to a speedy trial to plaintiff Bundy, following the ‘marching orders’ of her benefactors, defendants Harry Reid and Obama,” attorney Joel Hansen alleges in the complaint.

Navarro refused to grant Klayman permission to represent Bundy because Klayman currently faces disciplinary proceedings by the Washington DC Bar in an ethics case.

The lawsuit paints that refusal as evidence that Navarro refuses to let Bundy mount an adequate defense. I say any judge who prevents complete wingnut loon Larry Klayman from representing someone is actually doing the defendant a favor.

...and since this is wingnut SovCits I'm talking about, the complaint was filled with loony wingnut accusations and falsehoods, as per usual:



I really like that “equivalent of federal storm-troopers” bit. Also the “mercenaries” and “so called federal agents” bits. Out in Reality Land, of course, Harry Reid had nothing to do with the decision to seize Bundy’s cattle
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