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#293587 - 10/06/16 07:10 PM A Lamentation
Jim D (FreeThinker) Offline
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Registered: 12/15/04
Posts: 3235
Loc: Under the Rainbow
Over the last six years or so I have only posted here four or five times (there have been a variety of reasons.) CHB was my first and favorite forum, it is still my favorite. I have been watching CHB over the years but not posting. "Why?" you may ask.

There seems to be a lack of diversity of opinion. I really enjoyed the back and forth when most of the spectrum of opinions was represented. Maybe it's a sign of the times, every one seems to need their own echo chamber and cannot handle opposing views. So they go off for reinforcement. At times the conversations here started to resemble a circle jerk with no new opinion or insight just self congratulation for being clever.

I do not mean to be critical, these are just some jumbled thoughts that I had to express.

Oh, and by the way, I intend to start posting again now that I am retired.
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#293588 - 10/06/16 07:24 PM Re: A Lamentation [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
Jim D (FreeThinker) Offline
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I guess what I really wanted to say was that I learned a lot more from the differences than the sameness.

It's like, I learn best from my mistakes, if I always do it correctly it is debatable whether or not I know what I am doing.
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#293593 - 10/06/16 09:32 PM Re: A Lamentation [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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Registered: 11/24/06
Posts: 14420
Loc: Florida
Well, Jim, welcome back, and I hope you do continue to post whether it be to agree or disagree with us.

You can't really blame people for wanting to hang out with others who feel and think mostly the same way.
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#293599 - 10/06/16 10:35 PM Re: A Lamentation [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
NW Ponderer Online   sad
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Carpal Tunnel

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Disagree, please! Frequently!
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#293601 - 10/06/16 11:17 PM Re: A Lamentation [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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Registered: 09/10/08
Posts: 1662
Loc: Middle, USA
RR is far friendlier than a lot of the other sites I've lurked. I think one thing that those of the generally opposing view frequently get is here a request, in a post, for sources, (I've gotten a few quiet nudges from management about that, myself} and it is a request that is frequently ignored (not by me, honest).

And it's not like we don't ever find fault with our own. Occasionally a couple of us who agree on most things will get a little het up with each other. And sometime we tear into our liberal politicians. I wanted to bite Pres. Obama's head off when he kept giving the Republicans what they wanted in order to pass affordable care and they kept lock-step voting it down. Compromise after compromise, until we got what we got.

Excuse me, I think I'm getting a little het up.
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#293604 - 10/06/16 11:30 PM Re: A Lamentation [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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I am so in line with the comment! I get so much out of being challenged in my assumptions. I have frequently invited those with different views to join us here. Some have come, but few have stayed, preferring to spend time only with those that support their view. I can get testy, but I will always respect the right to hold a different viewpoint. I never ask more than I allow for myself - I may ask for citations, or support, or challenge a view, but I am always willing to provide the same in return. Always. Hold me to that!
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Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich

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#293607 - 10/06/16 11:40 PM Re: A Lamentation [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
pondering_it_all Offline
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Registered: 02/27/06
Posts: 8081
Loc: North San Diego County
Welcome back! We need more informed opinions here, but actually we do have some differences of opinion. I can understand all viewpoints, even if I personally think some are wrong. Myself, I am a very opinionated moderate pragmatist.

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#293612 - 10/07/16 12:42 AM Re: A Lamentation [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline


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Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 13419
Loc: Whittier, California
I don't think anyone here ever was desirous of an echo chamber.
Fire away when ready, anybody with any opinion is welcome and always has been.
Glad you're back!
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#293619 - 10/07/16 02:13 AM Re: A Lamentation [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
pondering_it_all Offline
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Posts: 8081
Loc: North San Diego County
Quote:
anybody with any opinion is welcome and always has been

Just don't be surprised if people disagree with you and bring some pretty powerful arguments to support their ideas.

In particular, opinions are fine. But if you claim something is true or false just because you want it to be, we are very good at recognizing objective facts. If that collides with your view of reality then you will not be happy here.

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#293631 - 10/07/16 12:58 PM Re: A Lamentation [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
Ezekiel Offline
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Registered: 08/06/05
Posts: 6387
Loc: New York
We can and have had some lively discussions and disagreements. I think there is a certain consensus, as is wont amongst thinking people, about the election cycle - although even there we have had some points of contention.
Even our veteran conservative, Golem, can't bring himself to support Trump. And our newest member from the conservative ranks, katydid, while she seems to support the Drumpf, is not very insistent on it and prefers, as a clear and noble sign of intelligence, to bring up specific issues.
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