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#294643 - 10/23/16 05:33 PM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Golem]
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My experience is that it's far less than half.

When you get right down to brass tacks you're probably right, Golem.
The rest are just Republicans who vote for Republicans and rationalize that any Republican is better than any Democrat.
There seem to be very few, like you, who will actually withhold their vote from the Republican nominee and fewer yet who will vote for Clinton.

We, on the left, see him as a monster; dangerous, unpredictable, and a threat to the American way of life. Republicans see Hillary much the same way.

I don't think any of us will stand up in favor of illegal immigration. We need immigration reform, not massive deportations or walls. Most illegals are here because they overstayed their visas. Rather than deport them we need to extend their visas. If they are criminals, they need to be jailed or exported. If they are parents of children who are citizens and want to stay here, they need a path to citizenship. There are simple ways to work this all out but as long as racism is an issue and as long as Republicans resist any path forward it's just going to remain a problem.
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#294644 - 10/23/16 05:39 PM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Golem]
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I don;t want to speculate on some approximate number but there is one item which reappears often i.e. coded words.

If one wants to see supporters with enthusiasm then Mr Trump can make it plain :: not just stopping Muslims from immigrating but deporting those who are here (I can hear the crowd roar) ... he got great responses when he called for jackbooted ICE asking for your papers and deporting ALL illegals .... so I have to wonder if he would get the same responses if he called for all non-whites to be deported .... Rep Steve King would have an orgasm (only whites have contributed to western civilization)

Beck always talks about liberals using coded language (and I am hard put to decipher what he means) it is far easier to see these folks using code. the wall .... well if that is not symbolic, i don;t know what is ... nothing but a thin veil hiding bigotry ...

What amazes me is none of the so-called responsible Republicans in his campaign sees it ... this is one of the problems Republicans have i.e. denial of the obvious

and I think "G" you can fill in more
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#294650 - 10/23/16 09:41 PM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Ezekiel]
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The real split in the Republican Party is between the business-oriented Republicans who LIKE the cheap labor of illegals and the poor white dupes of the Party who would benefit from those jobs if the illegals were gone. In some ways, Trump is Moses, leading the poor white uneducated out of bondage to a Party that has used every fake issue possible to enslave them!

I guess the big question is where does Trump lead his people? He loses the election (because of insufficient numbers) but there is certainly a social movement in play here. Do they go on to ignore Trump and all join the KKK? Unlikely I think because only a small percentage are solely dedicated to White Supremacy. Do they form a new Populist Party that runs their own candidates and spoils the next 5 or 10 election cycles for the decimated Republican Party?

Trump will probably not be leading that Party for a few reasons:

1) He's too old. He is not exactly in good physical condition, as shown by his performance at the debates. When your face goes from orange to purple that's not a good sign. He could drop dead from a heart attack at any moment.
2) He's in serious financial trouble. He owes more than he has and to very bad people who do not respect the niceties of bankruptcy court.
3) Once he loses, he's not a winner any more. Most of his fans do NOT want to follow a loser.

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#294652 - 10/24/16 01:51 AM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: pondering_it_all]
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1) He's too old.

So are they.

2) He's in serious financial trouble.

So are they.

3) Once he loses...

He's a loser. So are they.
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#294654 - 10/24/16 04:55 AM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Ezekiel]
pondering_it_all Offline
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Yes many of them are poor old losers. But statistically many of them will be around for quite some time. Some are not very old either, just really stupid.

I rather doubt Trump will be alive in 2018. I would not be too surprised if he chooses death rather than defeat. He's just that crazy.
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#294655 - 10/24/16 05:07 AM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: pondering_it_all]
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#294656 - 10/24/16 05:41 AM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Phil Hoskins]
Ken Condon Offline
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This is--mas o menos- the world I grew up with in Hawaii. Obama too. This world has come home to roost in the “lower” 48. Good for them. I have some words of advise for those in that 48 who might be frightened of this development....... It does not matter.

Life will go on, and the flavors will change over time. And that’s about it.
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#294658 - 10/24/16 07:07 AM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Ken Condon]
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Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
This is--mas o menos- the world I grew up with in Hawaii. Obama too. This world has come home to roost in the “lower” 48. Good for them. I have some words of advise for those in that 48 who might be frightened of this development....... It does not matter.

Life will go on, and the flavors will change over time. And that’s about it.

Tom Hanks addressed this issue last Saturday, 10/22, during the opening monolog on SNL:

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#294683 - 10/25/16 01:10 PM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Ezekiel]
NW Ponderer Offline
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It is probably like arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin to discuss how many Trump supporters are "deplorables." While it is a substantial number (probably not half, as there would be overlap in deplorable attributes), here's where I am on the subject: Trump is deplorable, therefore support for him is deplorable. Since the majority of Republican voters will vote Republican no matter who is nominated, that makes them all deplorable, as they are willing to perpetrate the advent of deplorability.
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#294700 - 10/26/16 03:18 AM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: NW Ponderer]
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It continues to amaze me just how divorced from reality the Trump campaign and his surrogates (including his VP candidate) are. I certainly appreciate not wanting to give up and continue to "get out the vote" by putting a game face on it, but some of the tangents and baldface prevarication is astounding. I just watched Gingrich (that paragon of rectitude and clean living) blow up on Megyn Kelly. Raw Story

I am hopeful that the result of it all is such a resounding blowout that the entire elected government turns blue.
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