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#296485 - 11/19/16 07:38 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
pondering_it_all Offline
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The incredibly stupid thing is that almost everybody was frustrated that Congress didn't do anything for the last 6 years but shut down the government with their temper tantrums. Not a thing to actually help any of these out-of-work or crappily-employed folks who used to have good jobs.

Obama would have, but Congress blocked everything he wanted to do. If the Republicans in the House would have actually passed any legislation to help those folks, Obama would have signed it in a minute. This is why Congress has a 9% favorability rating.

So what do you do about it? Elect MORE Republicans! But they were the very people who made this mess to begin with. This is the opposite of a rational solution.

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#296486 - 11/19/16 08:16 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
TSo what do you do about it? Elect MORE Republicans! But they were the very people who made this mess to begin with. This is the opposite of a rational solution.

NOBODY has claimed that those voting for Trump and Republicans are very bright. In fact, it's very clear that they are not. Hmm
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#296494 - 11/20/16 03:11 AM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
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"Dear liberal friends..."


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The electoral college is not going to swoop to the rescue. Neither are constitutional loopholes going to make Bernie president. Instead, Trump is going to stack the Supreme Court his way for the foreseeable future, and if the Democrats lose one more state legislature, the Republicans, already falling in line behind Trump like ducklings, are going to eviscerate the constitution.


You have no idea how out of your depth you are.
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#296498 - 11/20/16 04:36 AM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline


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Too many people do not accept that history follows certain repeating patterns. Societies are free to mold or shape those patterns, sometimes to save themselves, sometimes they fail to do so in time.
It all hinges on education and income equality.

Income equality does not mean that everyone has the same income. Income equality means that, while there may be a very wide range of wealth and income, the people at the extremes don't outnumber the middle so much.

Since there is never and has never been a case where the majority of people are at the top of the curve, it can only be accepted that, in cases where the extremes become the norm, it is ALWAYS the majority at the LOW end of the extreme, and a small handful of people at the top.
That would be a case of income INEQUALITY, which is what we have right now.

Income equality just means that the majority of folks are somewhere in the middle, a few are at the low end, and a few are at the top. Rich people tend to also be rich when there is lots of income equality.

Now, fascism does not WANT a prosperous middle class, because fascism cannot function in a well educated prosperous middle class society.
Fascism cannot function WITHOUT racial, cultural and ethnic inequality because fascism REQUIRES a scapegoat to blame for societal problems, which is a necessary and crucial component for manipulating societies.

Fascism cannot thrive, or even survive, without a heavily militaristic and authoritarian leadership.
Women are viewed as chattel in a heavily fascist society. They also happen to be viewed the same in heavy religious theocracies as well!
For that reason, many fascist regimes are also heavily theocratic. Theocracy under fascism provides a DOUBLE LAYER of CONTROL!

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#296510 - 11/20/16 07:26 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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The practice of Fascism is made infinitely worse when those in, (or coming into), power comprise a kakistocracy. George W. Bush and President Cheney formed their kakistocratic group, although with isolated implants of individuals who displayed some higher degree of intelligence, such as Colin Powel, (who later came to his senses and resigned). Theoretical Fascism and practical Fascism are worlds apart, just as theoretical vs practical differences of ANY governance applications are found to be. When put into working practice, Fascism disintegrates rather rapidly, but damages inflicted on the general populace being “governed” is absolute and devastating, and they, too, come about very quickly. One must examine the aftermath of Fascism – wherever it’s been brought into the revealing light of day – in order to accurately assess the constantly metastasizing cancer it is. Post World War II Italy is probably the most recent example, but there have been others. Trumps’ outlines and egotism rival that of Benito Mussolini, and there are several parallels which can be quoted to prove it. Mussolini had a much longer incubation period in which to develop his style of Fascism, whereas Trumps’ gestation period has been more abbreviated. But, the outcomes are the same. Americans who voted for Trump will come to regret it within two years following his inauguration, the same we the rest of the world already regrets it.

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#296511 - 11/20/16 07:50 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: MainStreetMentor]
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#296512 - 11/20/16 08:04 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: MainStreetMentor]
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Originally Posted By: MainStreetMentor
The practice of Fascism is made infinitely worse when those in, (or coming into), power comprise a kakistocracy.

The 14 characteristics of Facism:


Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

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#296513 - 11/20/16 08:07 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Supremacy of the Military
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

These four characteristics are right up the alley for many right-wing bloggers that I know. Hmm
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#296545 - 11/21/16 11:40 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline


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Well this so called "Worst Case Scenario" has gone way way beyond three cabinet picks.

The nation's network top brass have all convened at Trump Tower for an off the books meeting. This is where they are all given an offer they can't refuse, so rest assured, the fun is over and they are going to fall in line.
They have come to the palace to kiss the ring.

Trump Meeting With Media Brass Excellent

Jerry Falwell, Junior is being considered for Secretary of Education.
And again, Bannon Bannon Bannon, a known anti-semite, is suddenly being defended or overlooked by about eighteen key Democrats.

Bannon plays a key role in what I see as a pincer move by the alt-Right in collusion with the evangelical Right, and the Ayn Rand/Koch wing of the Republican Party.

I see Donald Trump as an expendable, because I am becoming increasingly convinced that the powers that be see him that way.
He is a means to an end. And now he's no longer useful.

One of three things is about to happen:

1. Trump gets impeached early on.

2. Trump resigns, because hey, this is actually a REAL job, and it's way more work than he ever wanted.

3. Manchurian candidate time, the CIA creates an unforeseen incident. They can't afford a loose cannon with what's being planned.

What's being planned?
President Mike Pence, that's what.
The patterns are beginning to emerge, and once the above is accomplished, we will be one "national emergency" away from President Pence installing right wing fascist theocracy in the United States of America.

What about all the Trump voters, won't they revolt?
Nope, because whatever "national emergency" is being cooked up is going to scare the CRAP out of them.

I've floated this to a few folks.
The reaction is predictable:

Quote:
"Oh come on Jeffery, you sound like a ridiculous paranoid, that will NEVER EVER happen in this country!"


Sure...it can't happen here. wink
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#296560 - 11/22/16 02:55 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Jerry Falwell jr.... as Education Secretary.

the pile of puke just keeps growing.
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