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#296562 - 11/22/16 07:07 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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well .... your theory is based on a number of contingencies of low probability, so let's look

your contention is Mr Trump is expendable meaning he is useless as far as Republican/conservatives are concerned.

1. while there is plenty to oversee and investigate, one must remember the whole of government is in Republican hands i.e. meaning they will not jeopardize what they have won and the opportunity to completely frak America. Republicans will not impeach but will continue to defend Mr Trump in what will become increasingly more optically corrupt at the very least.

2. You think he is another Gov Palin? This is Trump we are talking about. He is so unpredictable (can anything be more unpredictable than simply unpredictable?) your statement may be just as true as my statement, he will fill out his first term. Yours is more wishful thinking than the more realistic one of actually superficially performing the job.

3. The CIA!!!! If Pence is the plan then why not the FBI? The first order of business was to elect Mr Trump with running mate Gov Pence ergo the FBI - Dir Comey. Unfortunately Gov Pence was a logical choice for Mr Trump. Conservatives believed he was not a conservatives but if he had a "real" conservative running with him then he would be more appealing. Thus for your plan to have any validity, Mr Trump would have to be in on the gambit.

No national emergency is necessary for theocrats to achieve their agenda. There is a large chunk of Republican/conservatives who are already of like kind. Crafting a bill neatly disguised as something other than overt unConstitutional law is relatively easy. Just look at what ALEC has accomplished in Republican states. Democrats will of course fight these insidious bills but when framed as unAmerican many will fold, especially the ones up for election.


In contradistinction I maintain he is clueless tool of Republicans/conservatives who believe (because of Gov Pence) they have the inside track to achieve their agenda. Whereas Gov Pence is well liked among conservatives, they all realize Mr Trump is the star, he is the rainmaker and without him Gov Pence becomes ordinary (as he really is) and their agenda becomes compromised.

and to use a members name in vain ..... surely you jest
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#296576 - 11/23/16 04:06 AM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I guess I expected my pet theory to take off like a rocket but in fact, I have to admit I am a little flummoxed because Ranter "rporter314" makes some very interesting points.
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#296648 - 11/25/16 03:30 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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As I watch a series of billionaire donors picked for the Trump cabinet, I realize the worst case is taking place. Bush II stocked his cabinet with enemies of the agencies they were appointed to, and it was an unmitigated disaster. Trump is following the same play book. The swamp is draining right into the White House.
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#296652 - 11/25/16 03:45 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
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As I've mentioned before, NWP, unmitigated disaster is probably our best hope moving forward. The sooner it occurs the sooner we can get about fixing it.

I don't fully understand the Republican penchant for appointing the least qualified people to the most important positions, but I do know that anywhere else in life it's pretty much a recipe for failure.
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#296654 - 11/25/16 04:07 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger

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I don't fully understand the Republican penchant for appointing the least qualified people to the most important positions, but I do know that anywhere else in life it's pretty much a recipe for failure.


Having had to survive in corporate America for some many years I understand it completely.
1) You have no (or bad) ideas;
2) You hire people stupid enough to not know what an idea is, much less tell the difference between a good one and a bad one.
3) When the shyte hits the ventilator (as it inevitably always does) you blame the idiots you hired. Fire them. Hire some more just like them. And keep your job.

Wash - Dry - Repeat.
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#296655 - 11/25/16 04:42 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: Ezekiel]
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Sounds like a Dilbert fan!

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#296657 - 11/25/16 04:47 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: Greger]
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I think his picks reflect ONLY loyalty. He isn't interested at all in qualifications, figuring if he can be President then anybody can do lesser jobs. After all, his picks will hire actual smart people to do all the real work, at some level.

I'm sure all his buildings had real engineers and architects with advanced degrees and experience.

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#296658 - 11/25/16 04:50 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all

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I'm sure all his buildings had real engineers and architects with advanced degrees and experience.


I would not bet on that. grin
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#296668 - 11/26/16 01:37 AM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: Ezekiel]
matthew Offline
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Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
Originally Posted By: Greger

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I don't fully understand the Republican penchant for appointing the least qualified people to the most important positions, but I do know that anywhere else in life it's pretty much a recipe for failure.


Having had to survive in corporate America for some many years I understand it completely.
1) You have no (or bad) ideas;
2) You hire people stupid enough to not know what an idea is, much less tell the difference between a good one and a bad one.
3) When the shyte hits the ventilator (as it inevitably always does) you blame the idiots you hired. Fire them. Hire some more just like them. And keep your job.

Wash - Dry - Repeat.

The earliest explanation of which I am aware is C. Northcote Parkinson's essay on Injelititis:

Parkinson's Law: Injelititis, or Palsied Paralysis

Quote:
The tertiary stage presents us with no opportunity to do anything. The institution is for all practical purposes dead. It can be founded afresh but only with a change of name, a change of site, and an entirely different staff. The temptation, for the economically minded, is to transfer some portion of the original staff to the new institution--in the name, for example, of continuity. Such a transfusion would certainly be fatal, and continuity is the very thing to avoid. No portion of the old and diseased foundation can be regarded as free from infection. No staff, no equipment, no tradition must be removed from the original site. Strict quarantine should be followed by complete disinfection. Infected personnel should be dispatched with a warm testimonial to such rival institutions as are regarded with particular hostility. All equipment and files should be destroyed without hesitation. As for the buildings, the best plan is to insure them heavily and then set them alight. Only when the site is a blackened ruin can we feel certain that the germs of the disease are dead.

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#296673 - 11/26/16 05:09 AM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: Ezekiel]
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I would not bet on that.


I don't think anything he built has collapsed and killed hundreds of occupants. I think we would have heard about that if it happened.

So some engineering had to take place. He might not have PAID the engineers but I doubt he thinks you can build anything without some expertise.

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