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#296955 - 12/04/16 02:28 AM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I guess their private genetics tutors neglected teaching this basic concept to his charges.
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#296963 - 12/04/16 06:06 AM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
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It's not a big deal genetically when second cousins marry once. But it is a real problem when they do it for several generations. The degree of consanguinity can be as high as marrying your own brother or father.

I think they did this mostly for alliances to keep than land, money, and power as concentrated as possible. Most of those were arranged marriages for political purposes. But of course it started with the ancient Egyptians who thought the only one exalted enough to marry Pharaoh was one of his sisters.

A much better plan would have been for royal children to pick their own mates from the best looking and smartest people in the land, be they peasants, merchants, warriors, or nobles. That way you'd get some healthy genes into the royal line. Ironic that every livestock farmer knew you need to crossbreed with healthy stock.

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#296968 - 12/04/16 04:45 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I'm glad this issue was raised in this thread - because it is directly applicable! We are developing a plutocratic aristocracy, and Trump's family is just a part of it. His daughter, Ivanka, married into an incestuously close "real estate mogul" family. Goldman Sachs partnerships are passed from father to son, literally.

Beyond the conspiracy theories and into the real world, there is developing a Plutocracy Cartel, where leading "families" are literally marrying into other ones. They share boards of directorships and bedrooms. And it is killing our country. 5 signs America is devolving into a plutocracy That last story was written before the election of a petty plutocrat who is dragging the moneyed elites into his administration directly. Donald Trump is assembling the richest administration in modern American history - WaPo (subscription).
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When George W. Bush assembled his first Cabinet in 2001, news reports dubbed them a team of millionaires, and government watchdogs questioned whether they were out of touch with most Americans’ problems. Combined, that group had an inflation-adjusted net worth of about $250 million — which is roughly one-tenth the wealth of Donald Trump’s nominee for commerce secretary alone.

Trump is putting together what will be the wealthiest administration in modern American history. His announced nominees for top positions include several multimillionaires, an heir to a family mega-fortune and two Forbes-certified billionaires, one of whose family is worth as much as industrial tycoon Andrew Mellon was when he served as treasury secretary nearly a century ago. Rumored candidates for other positions suggest Trump could add more ultra-rich appointees soon.
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#296999 - 12/04/16 10:01 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Many an aristocratic line has probably been saved by their member's propensity to have affairs with healthy outsiders. The men may sire bastards who do not inherit money or title, but the women make heirs even if they are not the product of their fathers!

Trump continues this tradition by finding exotic models to marry and procreate with. I foresee no genetic problems for his kids.

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#297052 - 12/05/16 07:22 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Well... they still have HIS DNA...

The drumbeat of inappropriate appointment goes on: Top Dem: Carson ‘woefully unqualified’ to lead HUD. The consensus - left, right, and center - is that this is a very bad idea.
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#297054 - 12/05/16 08:32 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
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If his goal is to cripple and milk government for personal gain I would say Mr. Trump is doing an excellent job.
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#297056 - 12/05/16 08:39 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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Originally Posted By: Phil Hoskins
If his goal is to cripple and milk government for personal gain I would say Mr. Trump is doing an excellent job.


I think that pretty much sums it up - with one addendum: no matter who gets screwed in the process.
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#297060 - 12/05/16 09:26 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The problem with Trump and his ilk is that they are so divorced from the real world that they don't understand how destructive their ideas are to themselves. As the middle class shrinks, less money is available to invest, buy consumer goods, spend on luxuries, pay for mortgages or rent. The economy stagnates. Trump would be hit especially hard, because his clientele is in the top 1%.
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#297063 - 12/05/16 10:58 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Mr Trump will be saying this a lot, "you're doing a heckuva job"

What song will be played as America sinks????
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#297064 - 12/05/16 11:53 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Early on I labelled Dr Carson as the worst candidate of the field primarily because he did not know nor understand the issues.

One may response by saying, what about Mr Trump? On a personal level Mr trump was a terrible person and therefore candidate, he did have a grasp of 3 issues (even if one does not agree with him or believes his positions are fringe). Dr Carson I do not believe understands much of anything outside the operating theater, and would therefore make a terrible appointment.
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