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#297331 - 12/14/16 06:18 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: Ezekiel]
rporter314 Offline
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the only assumption made was the status of current situation will remain about the same ergo my comments would be appropriate

you are hoping the situation will change adversely in a dramatic fashion which will influence future elections. So you made 2 assumptions
1. bad things will happen ( and let me say i suspect nothing good will happen based on probable policies of his cabinet picks but not withstanding there may be a reasonably high probability of an economic contraction ahead which would contribute to your assumption)
2. and most importantly and pay attention .... you assume it will change peoples minds. I am far less certain than you that the rampant ignorance of the American voter would suddenly be elevated into reasonable thinking

may all your hopes not rest on things out of your control
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#297332 - 12/14/16 06:35 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
the only assumption made was the status of current situation will remain about the same ergo my comments would be appropriate


WHY???????
Bad assumption, as I said previously.
BTW - it has nothing to do with changing people's minds. It has to do with wreaking havoc. People don't need to be convinced things are bad when they actually are bad.
Nonetheless, I am not sure what will happen as you cannot be sure either. I think the economic consequences will be dire through pure ineptitude. But I could be wrong. He may do a great job (now that it about as likely as winning the Powerball, but, it does happen).
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#297335 - 12/14/16 08:29 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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i think the argument you are making is, if and when the situation becomes dire economically or through foreign relations, the implication is it will change peoples minds and they will vote for Dems.

could be, but i won't assume that to be the case
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#297336 - 12/14/16 08:35 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: rporter314]
Ezekiel Offline
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
i think the argument you are making is, if and when the situation becomes dire economically or through foreign relations, the implication is it will change peoples minds and they will vote for Dems.

could be, but i won't assume that to be the case





I don't assume. But see it as a possibility. If things get bad enough they'll vote for anything but what they currently have.
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#297339 - 12/14/16 10:34 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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We are only a Reichstag Fire or a 9/11 away from draconian legislation (the Republican majorities will not stop Trump) that will turn our already half-militarized USA into a full-fledged police state. If Trump packs the courts with his appointments, you can kiss the Constitution (such as it is) goodbye.

Anyway, that's what Hitler did, and Trump has clearly studied his German progenitor's playbook.
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#297341 - 12/15/16 04:26 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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In 1998, the Right was finishing up the last of nearly three dozen domestic terror attacks on innocent Americans. In 2001, the Right warned that The Patriot Act would turn us into a police state. In 2008, the Right blamed Obama for trying to do so.
Now that we are facing a near certain probability of being turned into exactly that, the Right is now embracing Putin.

Vladimir Putinís Popularity Skyrocketing Among Republicans



I think the pattern is sufficient to make the announcement:
The American Right hates democracy and wants a fascist police state.

Americans are supposed to kill fascists.
We took pride in doing so seventy years ago in WW2.
Now we give them safe haven.

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#297343 - 12/15/16 10:20 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
Ezekiel Offline
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Police state: whenever the rights and grievances of workers were the issue the U.S. govt. ALWAYS reacted like a police state. The ruling class will defend its profits with any and all means at its disposal. Trump has only laid bare that reality. He stripped away the euphemistic double speak and basically said: "Yeah, this is who we are. And we will crush anyone who dares threaten it."
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#297344 - 12/15/16 01:53 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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while listening to an interview with Rep Blackburn (TN), ultra right wing representative, it struck me as she apologized for everything Mr Trump was doing and will do, she has become a part of the creation of a mythos surrounding him ... he is a man of the people .... he can do not wrong .... he will etc etc

Pres Reagan .... look out you have been replaced
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#297346 - 12/15/16 05:12 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
NW Ponderer Offline
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Remember GW Bush? Like Trump he lost the popular vote but won enough electoral votes to take control. He also assumed a mandate to govern as an extreme right winger. He also appointed ideological neophytes. Despite a disastrous economy and two wars... he was reelected. I truly fear for my country. Do not expect electors to bail us out.
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#297347 - 12/15/16 06:07 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Do not expect electors to bail us out.

I too donít expect the EC to change their votes. I think that would just further serve to sow chaos into our already severely divided nation.

Part of me wants to see Trump go down as a colossal failure who wrecked our nation, yet the other side asks me if I really want to see that happen. Would my (and others) personal schadenfreude be worth the destruction of our nation?

At this time I really canít answer that.
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