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#301200 - 05/13/17 05:07 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pondering_it_all]
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It appeared that Sean Spicer was exasperated today as he avoided answering any questions about the Comey tweet-threat. Trump has a unique facility of creating more bad press to distract from earlier bad press. The latest events (the tweet and the interview with Lester Holt) completely contradicted his press staff's - and Vice President's - efforts to defendsplain the Comey firing. As the NYT put it: 'Looking Like a Liar or a Fool': What It Means to Work for Trump.
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#301201 - 05/13/17 09:14 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I suspect Trump is doomed now because he has lost the loyalty of most of the FBI. I can read between the lines of FBI spokesmen to the press and Congress. It doesn't matter much who he puts in charge now. Those thousands of agents are not going to stop until he is impeached and maybe even indicted.

I keep imagining a watermelon exploding because of some quickly expelled projectile with a pointy tip. coffee
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#301204 - 05/13/17 03:54 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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some folks believe Mr Trump is a genius because of what he does ... I see a typical idiot doing what they do and people try to over-analyze it into something meaningful ... he is a narcissist ... they do crazy things, all meant to make himself appear great i.e. i can fire people, i can bully people, i can make myself appear great, i can extort people .... well i am just the greatest ... love me or leave me but i come first
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#301209 - 05/14/17 12:06 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
some folks believe Mr Trump is a genius because of what he does ...

People see what they want to see: Intelligent people see a man utterly failing, and struggling spectacularly, to be President of the United States. Others see Trump as a stellar thinker and genius and voted for him - these people are colloquially labeled low-information voters.
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#301218 - 05/15/17 01:26 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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One has to go back centuries and across oceans to find a parallel to the Trump cabal. The expectations and understanding of Trump, his family and his sycophantic followers are summed up well with this:
L'Etat, C'est Trump - the Atlantic.
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Trump “expects people who are serving in his administration to be loyal to the country and to be loyal to the administration.” And he sees no distinction between the two.


How, in our modern age, after centuries of fighting inherited aristocracies and despotic leaders is this still possible?
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One potential explanation for this is ignorance. Trump knows very little about how the American government is supposed to work. He once spoke about judges like Samuel Alito “signing bills.” It’s possible he truly did not realize that the FBI Director is not the equivalent of the security chief at a large corporation. He’s supposed to use the law to protect the American people; not to protect his boss.

Another explanation is narcissism.
These explain Trump's overweening ego and attitude well. But what about his followers? Especially those who should know better? For them, I think, it is just about power. They serve their Caesar to serve themselves, just as he does.
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#301222 - 05/15/17 06:34 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Assuming (and I do not think it an assumption but a reasonable conclusion) Mr Trump is a narcissist, which would explain most if not all of his peculiar behaviors, we have the following ...
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But what about his followers


Just as no group can be thought of as homogeneous, I believe there are several supporter types.
1. run of the mill Republican/conservative partisan of the most generic type (I suspect most of his Republican/conservative advisors and surrogates are this type) ... these are the high level right wing "snowflakey" types
2. run of the mill partisans (of both parties) who really held their nose, and puked as they pulled the lever
3. the large chunk of bigots who upon hearing the words "the wall" and "Muslim ban" knew they had a "savior"and disregarded everything else.

You may want to make this list more or less granular, but certainly group 2 & 3 are only interested in results i.e. is there a wall, did he ban all Muslims, will there be more coal mining jobs, etc. Type 1's don;t care about Mr Trumps agenda unless it is coincident with their agenda, which in large part it is i .e. will he follow through on deconstructing government. Only time will say if the full conservative destruction of government will be implemented or stymied by more thoughtful folks

Basically his supporters have a person who can be easily manipulated to ensure conservative extremism, who continues to talk the talk, and stir the pot. Why would they not support him? The question is, will it be enough for those who want the bigotry implemented or will it be enough if he can not pull it off?
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#301237 - 05/16/17 08:13 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: rporter314]
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#301239 - 05/16/17 09:14 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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He should really visit Yemen. I've heard it is lovely this time of year. Sudan is good, too.

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#301240 - 05/16/17 09:31 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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At a Besieged White House, Tempers Flare and Confusion Swirls
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In private, three administration officials conceded that they could not publicly articulate their most compelling — and honest — defense of the president: that Mr. Trump, a hasty and indifferent reader of printed briefing materials, simply did not possess the interest or knowledge of the granular details of intelligence gathering to leak specific sources and methods of intelligence gathering that would do harm to United States allies.


Interesting defense: He can't do too much damage because he's a moron. I guess if you don't tell him anything, he can't leak it. So we're going to have an intelligence infrastructure and foreign policy run entirely by staff, with zero Presidential involvement.

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#301252 - 05/17/17 09:23 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pondering_it_all]
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To be taken with significant amount of salt

Claude Taylor is reporting from "sources" that the Eastern District of Virginia Court has approved a Marshall order of execution targeting multiple Trump associates with the operation commencing shortly after (2pm)

Not seeing anything on any news tickers or sites.
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