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#302897 - 08/28/17 05:36 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: NW Ponderer]
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My disgustometer has long since pegged out.
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#302899 - 08/29/17 04:15 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Thank you, PIA, for saying this:
This may go to the Supreme Court who may just say no. Contempt is a tool of the courts to get people to obey court orders, not an ordinary crime. As judges, they may not want to give it up.


Fingers, toes, arms and legs crossed. One for more than one reason.
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#302906 - 08/29/17 11:44 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
...I guess when you elect a conman, you should expect conmen on his staff.

When you elect a clown, expect a circus. smile
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#302913 - 08/30/17 04:16 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: Spag-hetti]
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The Politico headline:Trump to seize populist mantle for pitching messy tax overhaul, says so much. Trump is a huckster, pure and simple, and his tax proposals are just plain lies. It's a myth that corporate tax cuts mean more jobs - NYT (subscription) Among the tax "breaks" He proposes to cut are electric vehicle deductions and historic preservation. Among the taxes he wants cut are inheritance and top tax brackets. The corporate tax cut is a farce. As the NYT article points out, of the 92 companies that got the biggest tax breaks, employment went down by 1% (483,000+ jobs) and shareholder value/executive pay went up. Profits? Zilch. Investment? Negligible. It is nothing but a scam. Who will benefit most? Guess who? Trump
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#302914 - 08/30/17 05:12 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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the voodoo economics of trickle down are well known, however it is the mainstay of conservative idiot-ology. It is a pipe dream sold by people who use verbal legerdemain to manipulate the most economically vulnerable citizens.
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#302917 - 08/30/17 09:03 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: rporter314]
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Ask Governor Brownback about the great voodoo economics experiment in Kansas. Cutting taxes for the wealthy and the corporations did not bring more jobs ... rich folks just put that money in their pockets.

And to offset those tax cuts he cut money to schools. They had to close early one year because they ran out of money. A kid can graduate in the top 10% and not get accepted into college because their schools suck. The good teachers fled across the nearest border to earn a living wage.

He cut services and he cut infrastructure spending. Lots of jobs went out the window with those two moves.

Brownback sure hopes he gets appointed Trumps boss of religious freedom because he needs to get out of Kansas, where he is soundly detested.
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#302918 - 08/30/17 09:46 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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or they love him as they love the great narcissist, Mr Trump ... with a great leap of faith
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#302922 - 08/31/17 01:34 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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Hard times to flush the unconvinced. It takes mounting repair bills to convince a fool they bought a crappy car. Kansas got suckered into buying one. We got warned

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#302927 - 08/31/17 03:53 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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If course they have been warned, then they have implemented their policies, had a massive failure, Democrats fix the problem, and Republicans just come with more stupid ideas. Their ideas just don't work and they don't care.

Because underneath it all, they think government can't work and they aim to prove it. But it isn't government that can't work: It's Republican government.

Private industry would NEVER hire somebody who believes the company will fail and then does their best to destroy it. Why do we? This attitude should disqualify them for office.

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#302930 - 08/31/17 12:29 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pondering_it_all]
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It has crossed my mind that the internet is a root cause for the power of the stupid to have an outsize effect on policy and government.

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Nichols argues that the country has shifted from a healthy skepticism of accepted knowledge to a proud, self-satisfied ignorance and active hostility to the very idea of expertise. Across American society, intellectual authority is resented, resisted and disregarded, with every opinion ostensibly holding equal weight.

This leveling of viewpoints has been accelerated by digital technologies and platforms, which have further lowered the barriers to participation, opening the floodgates to those without the requisite educational backgrounds and professional credentials. As Nichols puts it:

“I fear we are witnessing […] a Google-fueled, Wikipedia-based, blog-sodden collapse of any division between professionals and laypeople, students and teachers, knowers and wonderers—in other words, between those of any achievement in an area and those with none at all.”

In the absence of these crucial distinctions, Nichols asserts, public discourse has become degraded by unquestioned cognitive biases and a dearth of informed, evidence-based argumentation.


American idiot...
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