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#297848 - 01/04/17 10:14 AM Serious question re: Trump
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How can we be expected to show respect to Trump when he doesn't show respect for the Office he's about to hold, nor does he show respect for our Intelligence Community.

We are in way different territory from previous Presidencies and the RR rules were appropriate for that point in time.

I dare say that in these times, we should show Trump as much respect as he shows the United States government and his Office in particular.

Your thoughts? Hmm
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#297851 - 01/04/17 11:57 AM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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We don't argue with fascists, they are not going to listen. We fight them, every inch of the way.
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#297854 - 01/04/17 12:59 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: Ezekiel]
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Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
We don't argue with fascists, they are not going to listen. We fight them, every inch of the way.

I know I will fight them every inch of the way. mad
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#297856 - 01/04/17 01:41 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
We don't argue with fascists, they are not going to listen. We fight them, every inch of the way.

I know I will fight them every inch of the way. mad


That makes two of us mad
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#297859 - 01/04/17 04:33 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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It is entirely possible to disagree without being disagreeable; to resist without being reprehensible. One can, for instance, point out the lies, directly, rather than labeling the liar as such. Donald Trump has a casual association with reality. When he speaks, he produces the most bald-faced of lies, with foreknowledge of their falsity. His agenda, to the extent it is discernable, is anti-American. His cronies are misguided at best, and dishonest in the main. Nothing I have said violates any guideline that I am aware of, yet accurately conveys the loathing I have for the man or anything he stands for. I am convinced that his administration will be the worst in modern history. I'm not convinced a man of his character can, nor should, complete his term. Unfortunately, his Vice President represents as dangerous a prospect as he does. Given his cabinet choices, outright hostility is fully justified.
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#297860 - 01/04/17 04:47 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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That is a question every military person has, the answer is simple, not liked but simple. Respect the Office and that for which it stands. Address the holder of that office by the proper title. It does not mean you have to like anything the holder does or says. It goes further for the military, but for us civilians, we can respect and oppose the individual.

So, I will address Mr Trump as Presdent-elect and as President come this Jan 20th.

Excuse me now, I have to go throw up, my colon has a blockage causing a back up.
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#297862 - 01/04/17 06:03 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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Respect, in my book, is earned. Random name calling usually does not result in any form of edification. As such, since he has not earned anything at all, Trump is what I call him.
Fascist. Racist. Con man. Liar. The list is endless. Those qualifiers can be attached to actual behavior. And when they are, I see no reason to mince words. A lying president is no less a liar. A fascist president is no less a fascist. Etc.
Respect? I doubt that very much.
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#297865 - 01/04/17 08:25 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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I doubt we will have to deal with a President Trump for very long. He has a very short attention span. Either he won't be capable of acting the part for that long and quit, get impeached, or be assassinated. POTUS has a huge set of constraints and Trump doesn't handle constraints well. He's already ditching the press corp, skipping briefings, tweeting about the intelligence agencies, etc.

I'd put the odds of a full four year term with none of the above at 10%. I think the odds of assassination are very high: Hijacking the Republican Party and getting elected is a huge troll (in the internet sense, not the fairy tale sense). The person who does it is an even bigger troll, and there have to be hundreds of people who want that kind of notoriety. (Not me, of course, merely an observation.)

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#297868 - 01/04/17 09:24 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: Ezekiel]
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Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
Respect, in my book, is earned. Random name calling usually does not result in any form of edification. As such, since he has not earned anything at all, Trump is what I call him.
Fascist. Racist. Con man. Liar. The list is endless. Those qualifiers can be attached to actual behavior. And when they are, I see no reason to mince words. A lying president is no less a liar. A fascist president is no less a fascist. Etc.
Respect? I doubt that very much.


With President-elect Trump; respect is the Gordian Knot many must deal with, one the a swing of a sword can not solve. The solution I know, is I respect the office and position.

Mr. Trump is all you mention and more and I total agree that President-elect Trump is a Fascist, Raciest, Miysoginist, a Sociopathic Compulsive Liar (is that even possible?) and so much more. Nonetheless, come January 20th he will be our President until removed by nature, Congress or the vote.

p.s. Even Tricky Dick, the criminal President, deserved and received the respect due the Office.
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#297872 - 01/04/17 09:47 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Given his cabinet choices, outright hostility is fully justified.

Given who Trump is, outright hostility is justified as well. I'm tired of my Liberal brethren being spineless and going along being nice and being copacetic.

Fight back! Fight back!!!!! mad
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