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#297848 - 01/04/17 10:14 AM Serious question re: Trump
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How can we be expected to show respect to Trump when he doesn't show respect for the Office he's about to hold, nor does he show respect for our Intelligence Community.

We are in way different territory from previous Presidencies and the RR rules were appropriate for that point in time.

I dare say that in these times, we should show Trump as much respect as he shows the United States government and his Office in particular.

Your thoughts? Hmm
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#297851 - 01/04/17 11:57 AM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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We don't argue with fascists, they are not going to listen. We fight them, every inch of the way.
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#297854 - 01/04/17 12:59 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: Ezekiel]
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Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
We don't argue with fascists, they are not going to listen. We fight them, every inch of the way.

I know I will fight them every inch of the way. mad
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#297856 - 01/04/17 01:41 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
We don't argue with fascists, they are not going to listen. We fight them, every inch of the way.

I know I will fight them every inch of the way. mad


That makes two of us mad
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#297859 - 01/04/17 04:33 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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It is entirely possible to disagree without being disagreeable; to resist without being reprehensible. One can, for instance, point out the lies, directly, rather than labeling the liar as such. Donald Trump has a casual association with reality. When he speaks, he produces the most bald-faced of lies, with foreknowledge of their falsity. His agenda, to the extent it is discernable, is anti-American. His cronies are misguided at best, and dishonest in the main. Nothing I have said violates any guideline that I am aware of, yet accurately conveys the loathing I have for the man or anything he stands for. I am convinced that his administration will be the worst in modern history. I'm not convinced a man of his character can, nor should, complete his term. Unfortunately, his Vice President represents as dangerous a prospect as he does. Given his cabinet choices, outright hostility is fully justified.
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#297860 - 01/04/17 04:47 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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That is a question every military person has, the answer is simple, not liked but simple. Respect the Office and that for which it stands. Address the holder of that office by the proper title. It does not mean you have to like anything the holder does or says. It goes further for the military, but for us civilians, we can respect and oppose the individual.

So, I will address Mr Trump as Presdent-elect and as President come this Jan 20th.

Excuse me now, I have to go throw up, my colon has a blockage causing a back up.
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#297862 - 01/04/17 06:03 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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Respect, in my book, is earned. Random name calling usually does not result in any form of edification. As such, since he has not earned anything at all, Trump is what I call him.
Fascist. Racist. Con man. Liar. The list is endless. Those qualifiers can be attached to actual behavior. And when they are, I see no reason to mince words. A lying president is no less a liar. A fascist president is no less a fascist. Etc.
Respect? I doubt that very much.
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#297865 - 01/04/17 08:25 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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I doubt we will have to deal with a President Trump for very long. He has a very short attention span. Either he won't be capable of acting the part for that long and quit, get impeached, or be assassinated. POTUS has a huge set of constraints and Trump doesn't handle constraints well. He's already ditching the press corp, skipping briefings, tweeting about the intelligence agencies, etc.

I'd put the odds of a full four year term with none of the above at 10%. I think the odds of assassination are very high: Hijacking the Republican Party and getting elected is a huge troll (in the internet sense, not the fairy tale sense). The person who does it is an even bigger troll, and there have to be hundreds of people who want that kind of notoriety. (Not me, of course, merely an observation.)

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#297868 - 01/04/17 09:24 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: Ezekiel]
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Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
Respect, in my book, is earned. Random name calling usually does not result in any form of edification. As such, since he has not earned anything at all, Trump is what I call him.
Fascist. Racist. Con man. Liar. The list is endless. Those qualifiers can be attached to actual behavior. And when they are, I see no reason to mince words. A lying president is no less a liar. A fascist president is no less a fascist. Etc.
Respect? I doubt that very much.


With President-elect Trump; respect is the Gordian Knot many must deal with, one the a swing of a sword can not solve. The solution I know, is I respect the office and position.

Mr. Trump is all you mention and more and I total agree that President-elect Trump is a Fascist, Raciest, Miysoginist, a Sociopathic Compulsive Liar (is that even possible?) and so much more. Nonetheless, come January 20th he will be our President until removed by nature, Congress or the vote.

p.s. Even Tricky Dick, the criminal President, deserved and received the respect due the Office.
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#297872 - 01/04/17 09:47 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Given his cabinet choices, outright hostility is fully justified.

Given who Trump is, outright hostility is justified as well. I'm tired of my Liberal brethren being spineless and going along being nice and being copacetic.

Fight back! Fight back!!!!! mad
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#297873 - 01/04/17 09:49 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: Ezekiel]
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The rules and guidelines will continue to be enforce. I have felt very strongly many times here and found upon reflection that taking the high road was best.
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#297874 - 01/04/17 09:51 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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Originally Posted By: Ujest Shurly
That is a question every military person has, the answer is simple, not liked but simple. Respect the Office and that for which it stands. Address the holder of that office by the proper title. It does not mean you have to like anything the holder does or says. It goes further for the military, but for us civilians, we can respect and oppose the individual.

So, I will address Mr Trump as Presdent-elect and as President come this Jan 20th.

Excuse me now, I have to go throw up, my colon has a blockage causing a back up.

We''re not in the military. False equivalence. Hmm
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#297875 - 01/04/17 09:52 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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The rules and guidelines will continue to be enforce. I have felt very strongly many times here and found upon reflection that taking the high road was best.

Please. rolleyes

These bitches (CONservatives) want a street fight. I say bring it, bitches!! mad
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#297876 - 01/04/17 09:55 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: Ezekiel]
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Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
Respect, in my book, is earned

I feel that way too!!! Bow .

Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
Fascist. Racist. Con man. Liar. The list is endless.

Exactly! Hmm


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#297877 - 01/04/17 09:57 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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There is a standard in the military which IS directly applicable. We observe OUR standards to avoid becoming THEM. I will always seek truth, express myself, and fight oppression - but I will do so with dignity and honor, even if my opponent does not. I will not become them.
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#297879 - 01/04/17 10:04 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick

These bitches (CONservatives) want a street fight. I say bring it, bitches!! mad


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#297881 - 01/04/17 10:12 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
There is a standard in the military which IS directly applicable. We observe OUR standards to avoid becoming THEM. I will always seek truth, express myself, and fight oppression - but I will do so with dignity and honor, even if my opponent does not. I will not become them.

You're classy, I'm not. I'm a simple blue-collar guy with a street-level mentality. (After all, my parents were Republicans smile )

I say, fight those mean, nasty, cheap and chintzy, stingy CONservative bitches and get every last one of them to scream "Uncle!"
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#297884 - 01/04/17 10:53 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
We''re not in the military. False equivalence. Hmm


I was, thus the basis for my solution to the President-elect Trump Gordian Knot idea
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#297898 - 01/05/17 05:14 AM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I doubt we will have to deal with a President Trump for very long. He has a very short attention span. Either he won't be capable of acting the part for that long and quit, get impeached, or be assassinated. POTUS has a huge set of constraints and Trump doesn't handle constraints well. He's already ditching the press corp, skipping briefings, tweeting about the intelligence agencies, etc.

I'd put the odds of a full four year term with none of the above at 10%. I think the odds of assassination are very high: Hijacking the Republican Party and getting elected is a huge troll (in the internet sense, not the fairy tale sense). The person who does it is an even bigger troll, and there have to be hundreds of people who want that kind of notoriety. (Not me, of course, merely an observation.)


If Litvinenko had survived, his views on Putin's intentions toward President-elect Trump would be very interesting.
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#297913 - 01/05/17 07:04 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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The rules and guidelines will continue to be enforce. I have felt very strongly many times here and found upon reflection that taking the high road was best.

My new name for Trump - for the other blogs that I go to: Lying small-hand Orange Man™

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#297917 - 01/05/17 09:12 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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The simple fact is that Trump is NOT the president - we only have 1 of those at a time. I am actually anxious to get him sworn in and working at the job. Then we will know the truth instead of the constant speculations and accusations. I have faith in Trump. I fully expect him to be the same guy and, if he does, I am hoping that the righteous of America will rise up and go after him. After all, they go after everybody who doesn't agree with them and, I suspect, Trump will fill that bill right off the mark. He has already attacked American car manufacturers, insulted one of the Koch brothers, and gone off on just about anybody who talks about him. He is also, apparently, going to attack China and Mexico off the mark as well. Those 2 countries are a copy of our main customers so, if they cut it off then there are going to be a lot of people out of jobs as well. I figure that in the first 2 years of his administration he will be able to piss off a rather large segment of the population.

So, if he remains the Trump we know he may end up as the most hated president in America. This will be especially true if he gets rid of Obamacare (something that needs serious adjustment). On the other hand he may calm down, stop the baloney and just try and do the job. That would be the best thing that could happen but I have faith!!! Think on it. If he does recognize Jerusalem, for instance, as Israel's capital, that will seriously energize the terrorists of Islam which, in turn, will also probably get some of ours killed as well. As far as I can tell he is heavily invested in angering just about everybody. Oh, I think he will also be defending himself in court over something like 40+ lawsuits (and probably more that haven't been revealed). He will, in other words, be the first sitting president to be defending himself in court on a regular basis (unless, of course, he settles them all and then has them hidden from the public).

Anyway - until the man is sworn in, and actually becomes the president, we really don't know anything at all (other than the simple fact that the man is a committed, and dedicated, jackass).

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#297918 - 01/05/17 09:37 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: jgw]
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...He has already attacked American car manufacturers, insulted one of the Koch brothers, and gone off on just about anybody who talks about him. ..

Wait...what? Trump's ego is so frail that he has an enemy's list of people who dis him, and, like the rooster taking credit for the rising sun, sees all good news as a reflection of his own fabulousness - like when he claimed recent holiday sales were up because of him ? coffee
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#297922 - 01/05/17 09:59 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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I predict Mr Trump will continue to support Assange and Putin over the US intel community after tomorrows briefing

I suspect Gen Flynn is the force behind this insanity
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#297923 - 01/05/17 10:13 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: rporter314]
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I predict Mr Trump will continue to support Assange and Putin over the US intel community after tomorrows briefing

I suspect Gen Flynn is the force behind this insanity

No doubt. Interesting times* for America lie ahead.

*Interesting in not a good way. cry
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#297925 - 01/05/17 10:20 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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The big unknown is what do the intelligence agencies do to push back. If they really think Trump is a Russian stooge, do they act on that? Some of them certainly have done "stuff" in the past, including assassination of heads of state who act against American interests.

Does Trump have "an accident" of some kind in a few months? If I was President, I certainly would not antagonize them.

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#297933 - 01/06/17 12:02 AM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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Of pertinent interest, Roger Stone, a Trump advisor, was on infowars and claimed Dir Brennan was a Saudi mole ...

How about this combo - Bannon, Stone, Flynn, Bossie - Mr Trump has a room full of nuts advising him
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#297935 - 01/06/17 12:12 AM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pondering_it_all]
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The big unknown is what do the intelligence agencies do to push back. If they really think Trump is a Russian stooge, do they act on that?
I think that somehow, someone is going to get ahold of a copy of a recent Trump tax return. When that happens, the public will be aware of his numerous shady connections in less-than-free countries and the extreme amount of debt he carries owed to Moscow oligarchs, cronies and mafiosi.
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#297936 - 01/06/17 12:24 AM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Oh, I think he will also be defending himself in court over something like 40+ lawsuits (and probably more that haven't been revealed). He will, in other words, be the first sitting president to be defending himself in court on a regular basis (unless, of course, he settles them all and then has them hidden from the public).


Do not know what the legal term for it is, but I am pretty sure that any civil court case would be held in abeyance while he was in office. Now a criminal case would be a different beast, once Congress impeached him.

However, I would like to see your position come to fruition
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#297937 - 01/06/17 01:00 AM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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you guys are much too hopeful

Republicans are slobbering all over themselves .... they turn back the clock and turn America into a conservative wasteland and there is not much that can stop them

so why would any of them care about a tax return, or connections to Russia, China, or Fidel Castro ... they have snagged the brass ring
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#297938 - 01/06/17 01:11 AM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: rporter314]
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Eliminate Obamacare!! America is clamoring for that to happen. In fact, that is the supreme concern for the vast majority of our citizens.
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#297942 - 01/06/17 02:27 AM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: Ken Condon]
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Eliminate Obamacare!! America is clamoring for that to happen. In fact, that is the supreme concern for the vast majority of our citizens.

Actually, no.



Republican Marsha Blackburn asked her R-constituents and 84% said "No!" Hmm
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#297950 - 01/06/17 08:32 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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yeah if you look at it properly, you will notice the yes is over the no and therefore yeses have it

conservative logic
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#297951 - 01/06/17 08:34 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pdx rick]
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i correctly predicted his reaction ... he did not mention the Russians, who are more happy than ever as their tool is firmly implanted in the WH.
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#297964 - 01/07/17 08:29 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: pondering_it_all]
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The big unknown is what do the intelligence agencies do to push back. If they really think Trump is a Russian stooge, do they act on that?
...

What an idea! He's not a Russian stooge, he's a 100% prime cut red white and blue American stooge.
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#297967 - 01/07/17 08:48 PM Re: Serious question re: Trump [Re: Ezekiel]
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[quote=pondering_it_all] He's not a Russian stooge, he's a 100% prime cut red white and blue American stooge.

Had to smile at that one...
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