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#298074 - 01/12/17 10:39 PM Re: R's need time to replace (when they repeal) ObamaCare. Does never work for you? [Re: pdx rick]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline


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By the time it's dismantled, the bastards who did this will lie and lie and lie again about how this is the Democrat's fault. And their cognitively challenged base will believe them.
You can count on that. Look, they have spent BILLIONS on crafting the most incredible and efficient LIE machine the universe has ever known. People had better face the fact that, when that much money is spent to craft giant LIES, you can expect that someone is going to get their money's worth.

That is why I have now arrived at the conclusion that the time for talking to these people is long over. No more talking.
They wanted their civil war, I believe that is our only option at this point. And this side doesn't have to do a thing.
They WILL initiate it by attacking whatever is thriving without their approval. That means Jews, hispanics, black people, non-Christians of any type, immigrants, LGBTQ, liberals, eggheads (intellectuals) Muslims, anyone or anything that does not fit into their narrow criteria.
The problem is, the overwhelming majority in ALL these groups still believe that they can "talk sense" or petition, or protest and that somehow results will happen.

I am so tired of seeing every single one of my predictions come to pass and I am NOT SOME GENIUS or SOME GURU. These aren't "MY" predictions at all, they are just tea leaves that anyone can read if they are not afraid of what they are going to see.
These people are PROUD of declaring open warfare, it is all they ever talk about, for God's sake, when are the rest of us going to pay attention?

Know WHY the State of Texas ALLOWED Enron to attack California's energy grid?
Because in the eyes of the arch right wingers, California wasn't conservative enough despite being run by a conservative governor and having a conservative supermajority in both state houses.
Texas wanted to allow Enron to teach them a lesson, and Texas stood to gain from taking California down.
Sorry folks but that IS an act of war.
Expect more and expect these things to be worse and more naked.

If Enron had tried to pull that stunt on the District of Columbia, does anyone think that the Federal Government wouldn't have stomped the living s*** out of them?

Our "liberal" governor, Mr. Brown, is actually being quite conservative where the budget is concerned, because in a 2.5 trillion dollar state economy he is worried that we are now 1.6 billion in the RED again, after two years in the black.

All that having been said, Governor Moonbeam ALSO DID SAY in several speeches, that he intends to make California the LINE IN THE SAND AGAINST Trump's America, and to that end we MIGHT just see initiatives pass which transform California into a single payer state.

I truly believe California has a large enough population to pull off becoming a single payer state.
And it is in Governor Moonbeam's best interests to come up with bold action and cutting edge solutions because it guarantees reelection, for him and for all those "wonderful" Democrats. (yes I said it in quotes this time haha)

It also makes California not ONLY a thorn in Trump's side but if we work to make it succeed, it makes California become a poison pill to ALL right wingers everywhere on the entire planet.
California has the unique opportunity to demonstrate that proper liberal ideas, applied in a common sense manner, can outperform any and ALL right wing demagoguery.
What politician doesn't want the chance to do something like that?

But we shouldn't fool ourselves, the Right, in collusion with all the Red States, is going to work overtime on worse acts of war (NOT putting that in QUOTES! AT ALL!) to try and take down California.
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#298075 - 01/12/17 11:10 PM Re: R's need time to replace (when they repeal) ObamaCare. Does never work for you? [Re: pdx rick]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline


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It is their greatest desire to hurt us, yes? No?

It is because they believe their own bull-sh!te SO FERVENTLY that they have convinced themselves that we are SO EVIL that they MUST hurt us in order to be "victorious" in all those WARS they keep dreaming of, all those WARS that they preach about in their fanatical fundamentalist churches, all those WARS that they talk about declaring a war on (war on terror, war on drugs, war on crime, war on debt, war on entitlements, war on pornography, war on liberalism, war on atheism, war on humanism, war on Muslims, war on free and critical thinking, war on this, war on that, war on the other thing, etc.)

Where else DOES a mind like that GO after a CENTURY of thinking like this except MORE WAR? Someone tell me, please.
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#298076 - 01/13/17 12:11 AM Re: R's need time to replace (when they repeal) ObamaCare. Does never work for you? [Re: pdx rick]
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They can replace ACA with federal RomneyCare and Trump would sign the bill on Jan 20th. All their problems with this issue would evaporate. RomneyCare has all the features Trump wants to keep and those 20 million people would stay covered. And it would be named after a Republican so they might just try to make it work.

Or California can just go it alone, replace the federal tax cuts with state income tax increases and keep the state insurance laws that we all love. They could even let idiots buy crappy policies from out-of-state, since that would very quickly be shown to be ineffective. After all, we are 1/5 the population of the US.

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#298077 - 01/13/17 06:07 AM Re: R's need time to replace (when they repeal) ObamaCare. Does never work for you? [Re: pondering_it_all]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline


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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
They can replace ACA with federal RomneyCare and Trump would sign the bill on Jan 20th. All their problems with this issue would evaporate. RomneyCare has all the features Trump wants to keep and those 20 million people would stay covered. And it would be named after a Republican so they might just try to make it work.

Or California can just go it alone, replace the federal tax cuts with state income tax increases and keep the state insurance laws that we all love. They could even let idiots buy crappy policies from out-of-state, since that would very quickly be shown to be ineffective. After all, we are 1/5 the population of the US.


California is not only one-fifth the population, it is the 6th largest economy on the planet with a 2.5 trillion dollar GDP.
And this is the first year since Governor Moonbeam took the reins that we have recorded a deficit, a measly 1.5 billion dollars, which is a far cry from the record deficits we racked up with the 30+ year Republican supermajority.

We were in the black for about three years and I suspect we might get back there again.

California can go SINGLE PAYER, I guarantee it.
It could go single payer with half its brain tied behind its back.

I'm sick of groveling to a hostile foreign nation named "AmurriKKKa" that wants me and my family dead. I do not see one thing about this AmurriKKKa that looks like the country I grew up in, so as far as I am concerned Yellowstone can blow for all I care.
I hope and pray I can help all the dear friends and loved ones that I care about who live in that foreign country but in the end it is their decision and I have to save my own hide first.
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#298080 - 01/13/17 09:02 AM Re: R's need time to replace (when they repeal) ObamaCare. Does never work for you? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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It would be really funny if Republicans did their repeal-and-never-replace thang and then California installed RomneyCare word-for-word, just like the Massachusetts program. (ACA is almost identical.) But we should keep the name RomneyCare just to screw with them.

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#298082 - 01/13/17 09:58 AM Re: R's need time to replace (when they repeal) ObamaCare. Does never work for you? [Re: pdx rick]
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Can't Obama veto this Repeal?
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#298083 - 01/13/17 10:03 AM Re: R's need time to replace (when they repeal) ObamaCare. Does never work for you? [Re: pdx rick]
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The most important thing to remember, in discussing the ACA, is it isn't just the 20 million Americans who got insurance through the exchanges that will be cruelly affected. It's the millions and millions and millions of the rest of us, who were finally able to rest easy knowing that we had adequate coverage, no more lifetime cap, free preventative care, no more being booted off for pre-existing conditions, the godsend, absolute godsend, of being able to cover our young adult children up to age 26, mental health care parity, and the knowledge that if our kids needed health care past 26 that they could get subsidized health care as well. It's horrific. It will affect millions and millions and millions of us. All out of the shittiest kind of spite and racism, just to deny the black man his legacy. It is heartbreaking. It is shameful. It is unAmerican.

Fvck you Rethugliclowns. mad
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#298084 - 01/13/17 10:08 AM Re: R's need time to replace (when they repeal) ObamaCare. Does never work for you? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Know WHY the State of Texas ALLOWED Enron to attack California's energy grid?
Because in the eyes of the arch right wingers, California wasn't conservative enough despite being run by a conservative governor and having a conservative supermajority in both state houses.
Texas wanted to allow Enron to teach them a lesson, and Texas stood to gain from taking California down.

Actually it was DICK Cheney's Energy Commission that took aim at Cali's grid as payback for not voting for W. You know that Energy Commission that dead Scalia's SCOTUS ruled We The People™ had no business knowing what was discussed? Hmm
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#298090 - 01/13/17 05:02 PM Re: R's need time to replace (when they repeal) ObamaCare. Does never work for you? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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it does not have the idiotological feature of privatization (i have sent my resume for a small percent of the action).
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#298091 - 01/13/17 05:15 PM Re: R's need time to replace (when they repeal) ObamaCare. Does never work for you? [Re: pdx rick]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline


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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Know WHY the State of Texas ALLOWED Enron to attack California's energy grid?
Because in the eyes of the arch right wingers, California wasn't conservative enough despite being run by a conservative governor and having a conservative supermajority in both state houses.
Texas wanted to allow Enron to teach them a lesson, and Texas stood to gain from taking California down.

Actually it was DICK Cheney's Energy Commission that took aim at Cali's grid as payback for not voting for W. You know that Energy Commission that dead Scalia's SCOTUS ruled We The People™ had no business knowing what was discussed? Hmm


Yes, you're right, it was that.
Rick, I know Cheney is not technically "from" Texas but when Dick Cheney speaks, Texas listens.
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