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#298779 - 02/17/17 12:29 AM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: Doug Thompson]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Registered: 08/03/04
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Loc: Whittier, California
Some people are saying that we should give Trump a chance, that we should "work together" with him because he won the election and he is "everyone's president."

This is my response:
I will not forget how badly he and so many others treated former President Barack Obama for 8 years...
I will not "work together" to privatize Medicare, and cut or privatize Social Security, Medicaid and the VA Health Care System.
I will not "work together" to eliminate public schools and make higher education even more unaffordable.
I will not "work together" to make it easier for Wall Street crooks to destroy the economy for the sole benefit of a few billionaires.
I will not "work together" to advance income inequality.
I will not "work together" to build a wall.
I will not "work together" to persecute Muslims or any other religious orientation, including atheists and agnostics.
I will not "work together" to shut out refugees from other countries.
I will not "work together" to lower taxes on the 1% and increase taxes on the middle class and poor.
I will not "work together" to help Trump use the Presidency to line his pockets and those of his family and cronies.
I will not "work together" to weaken and demolish environmental protection.
I will not "work together" to sell American lands, especially National Parks, to companies which then despoil those lands.
I will not "work together" to enable the killing of whole species of animals just because they are predators, or inconvenient for a few, or because some people want to get their thrills killing them.
I will not "work together" to remove civil rights from anyone.
I will not "work together" to alienate countries that have been our allies for as long as I have been alive.
I will not "work together" to slash funding for public education.
I will not "work together" to take basic assistance from people who are at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder.
I will not "work together" to get rid of common sense regulations on guns.
I will not "work together" to undermine internet access and neutrality.
I will not "work together" to undermine freedom of the press.
I will not "work together" to eliminate the minimum wage.
I will not "work together" to support so-called "Right To Work" laws, or undermine, weaken or destroy Unions in any way.
I will not "work together" to suppress scientific research, be it on climate change, fracking, or any other issue where a majority of scientists agree that Trump and his supporters are wrong on the facts.
I will not "work together" to criminalize abortion or restrict health care for women.
I will not "work together" to increase the number of nations that have nuclear weapons.
I will not "work together" to put even more "big money" into politics.
I will not "work together" to violate the Geneva Convention.
I will not "work together" to give the Ku Klux Klan, the Nazi Party and white supremacists a seat at the table, or to normalize their hatred.
I will not "work together" to deny health care to people who need it.
I will not "work together" to deny medical coverage to people on the basis of a "pre-existing condition."
I will not "work together" to increase voter suppression.
I will not "work together" to normalize tyranny.
I will not work together to eliminate or reduce ethical oversight at any level of government.
I will not "work together" with anyone who is, or admires, tyrants and dictators.
I will not support anyone that thinks its OK to put a pipeline to transport oil on Sacred Ground for Native Americans. And, it would run under the Missouri River, which provides drinking water for millions of people. An accident waiting to happen.
This is my line, and I am drawing it.
I will stand for honesty, love, respect for all living beings, and for the beating heart that is the center of Life itself.
I will use my voice and my hands, to reach out to the uninformed, and to anyone who will LISTEN:

That "winning", "being great again", "rich" or even "beautiful" is nothing, when others are sacrificed to glorify its existence.

Thomas J. Gray - Attorney
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The men the American public admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth. - H. L. Mencken

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#298780 - 02/17/17 12:40 AM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
NW Ponderer Offline
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Amen, brother!

I listened to today's press conference. I thought I was listening to a broadcast from another planet, it was so bizarre. An amazing moment in history: Donald Trump's press conference. CNN
Quote:
President Donald Trump launched an extraordinary denunciation Thursday of his critics, complaining he inherited a "mess" and slamming stories that his campaign was constantly in contact with Russia as "fake news."

Trump held court during a news conference that lasted an hour and fifteen minutes, carving out a stunning moment in modern American political history. He displayed a sense of anger and grievance rarely vented by a President in public -- let alone one who has been in office for just four weeks.

"I have never seen more dishonest media, frankly than the political media," Trump said, later slamming leaks to the press from the intelligence community -- some of which led to the resignation of national security adviser Michael Flynn.
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#298781 - 02/17/17 01:03 AM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: Doug Thompson]
rporter314 Offline
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Registered: 03/18/03
Posts: 6076
Loc: Highlands, Tx
and now your name is on his enemies list .... sleep tight but keep your togo bag stocked
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#298782 - 02/17/17 01:44 AM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: NW Ponderer]
Ken Condon Offline
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Registered: 06/14/07
Posts: 3696
Loc: Eugene, OR
Quote:
I listened to today's press conference. I thought I was listening to a broadcast from another planet,

I actually watched that whole thing on the telebitchin live as it unfolded in all of its bizarreness. It was without a doubt the most surreal event I have ever witnessed from a US politician live on that now thinner, but very much clearer, box.

Hey--Im retired--I have an excuse.

OK--- what to say?

Im speechless. But working on it. But I am usually better served walking my dog or singing a song.............. Im just a walking the dog.....
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#298785 - 02/17/17 06:31 AM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: Ken Condon]
pdx rick Offline
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Registered: 05/09/05
Posts: 40222
Loc: Puget Sound, WA
Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
Quote:
I listened to today's press conference. I thought I was listening to a broadcast from another planet,

I actually watched that whole thing on the telebitchin live as it unfolded in all of its bizarreness. It was without a doubt the most surreal event I have ever witnessed from a US politician live on that now thinner, but very much clearer, box.

Hey--Im retired--I have an excuse.

OK--- what to say?

Im speechless. But working on it. But I am usually better served walking my dog or singing a song.............. Im just a walking the dog.....

Did anyone else get the mental illness vibe from that presser today? Hmm
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#298787 - 02/17/17 07:44 AM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: Doug Thompson]
NW Ponderer Offline
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Registered: 09/09/11
Posts: 15251
I get that vibe every time a certain person who cannot open his mouth without spewing falsehoods with such rapidity and repetition opens his mouth.
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A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.

Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich

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#298791 - 02/17/17 03:40 PM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: Doug Thompson]
Jim D (FreeThinker) Offline
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Registered: 12/15/04
Posts: 3226
Loc: Aurora Ohio
Yesterday afternoon I had an errand to attend to that required that I go someplace in my car. My car radio is tuned to NPR by default. I expected to be listening to "Hear and Now" but instead what I got was NPR's coverage of Trump's press conference. I thought I was listening to a comedy hour. My head is still spinning.

Here are a couple of questions that come to my mind after listening to this:

1. Does he truly believe what comes out of his mouth?
2. Does he think everyone else believes what comes out of his mouth?
3. Does he even know how bizarre he sounds?

To wit, he said his admin is running like a fine tuned machine and that he had inherited a mess (that's a new one to me.) This is the first time that I actually listened to him live and now I am frightened. This guy is deranged.
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If you're incompetent, you can't know you're incompetent. [] the skills you need to produce a right answer are exactly the skills you need to recognize what a right answer is.

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#298793 - 02/17/17 03:58 PM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
rporter314 Offline
old hand

Registered: 03/18/03
Posts: 6076
Loc: Highlands, Tx
now the serious answers to your facetious but valid questions
yes
yes
no

It is apparently not enough to run a campaign no how unfit your political opponent is, as it is also clear that about 50% of American voters are equally unfit to vote intelligently, as they see unfitness as a good quality for president
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#298795 - 02/17/17 04:11 PM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: Doug Thompson]
Ujest Shurly Online   sleepy
stranger

Registered: 10/16/16
Posts: 179
Loc: Michigan, USA
I tuned in at some point and tuned out 20 minutes later. Could not take any more of President Donald (self-aggrandizing, infantile, the bully-in-Chief) Trump's incoherent babble.
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The older you get, the moldery and crustier you get.

Now, get off my grass!

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#298797 - 02/17/17 05:12 PM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: Doug Thompson]
NW Ponderer Offline
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Registered: 09/09/11
Posts: 15251
I listened to most of it live, and have seen even more on various news broadcasts since. Particularly telling, I think, was the reaction of the FOX News anchor (don't know her name), who said at the end of the presentation... "Wow. Alrightythen."

But seriously, I think we have passed the boundary between someone with some "eccentricities", to serious mental issues, to a "danger to himself or others." Even FOX News Shep Smith Has Had Enough of Trumps Lies: Its Crazy What Were Watching VIDEO The 25th Amendment looms large. House Dem Calls for Review of 25th Amendment on Removing the President. This, too, will pass from partisan perseverating to serious discussion in a short (maybe weeks) period of time.
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A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.

Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich

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