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#298804 - 02/17/17 06:42 PM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
This, too, will pass from partisan perseverating to serious discussion in a short (maybe weeks) period of time.


Only if the republicans think that will be the only way to get re-elected. They are a spineless bunch (most dems too) that can not think for themselves beyond re-election. If their constituency demands it they might do something in spite of their fear of donald.
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#298805 - 02/17/17 06:42 PM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: Doug Thompson]
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I am not so sure.

His behavior is so erratic, if he does not show up in public, no one would know if he was sick or simply did not want to be in the public eye. If he became seriously incapable of functioning i.e. irrational ranting, Bannon could perform the functions of president and no one would know. We have historical precedent for it.

Republicans/conservatives have an agenda and it serves their party interest for Mr Trump to remain in office, even if he is incapacitated. Do not believe they would place country over party. Part of conservative philosophy is to place God and individual above all else.

The only reasonable alternative is to vote him and them out of office. A tall order considering they have rigged the system in their favor.
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#298809 - 02/17/17 07:05 PM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: rporter314]
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Part of conservative philosophy is to place God and individual above all else.


But Trump is not particularly religious. His favorite preachers are all "church of being rich" types. Pence, on the other hand, is a true believer. Anytime they want, they can dump Trump and get a real hard-core Christian in the White House. Of course, they may be wary of Pence because he is more Christian than Republican...

(Suggesting Congressional Republicans are only Christian in the Saint Augustine sense: "Grant me chastity and continence, but not yet.")

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#298813 - 02/17/17 08:20 PM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: Doug Thompson]
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As long as he is useful to the conservatives and their constituency does not holler much he's safe.
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#298814 - 02/17/17 10:10 PM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
Jim D (FreeThinker) Offline
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Here's a good one.

A Medical Theory for Donald Trumpís Bizarre Behavior

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Physicians like me have also taken notice of Trumpís bizarre, volatile behavior. Given our experience, we canít help but wonder if thereís a medical diagnosis to be made. After all, many medical conditions exhibit their first symptoms in the form of psychiatric issues and personality changes. One condition in particular is notable for doing so: Neurosyphilis.


That would be interesting.

Somewhere there is a real, legitimate reason for his behavior.
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#298815 - 02/18/17 03:06 AM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: Doug Thompson]
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I was speculating on just that diagnosis a few months ago, in this forum. It still seems like a very reasonable possibility, but you need to keep in mind that his father died of Alzheimers Disease. That is a condition that can't be diagnosed until after death by a Pathologist. (Unless you want to do a brain biopsy, which nobody does.)

Tertiary syphilis explains the grandiose behavior but people with Alzheimers commonly have a time-sensitive symptom called "sun-downing" where they get worse later at night and then better in the morning. Trump's pathology seems to match this well. He should get the blood tests and then the spinal tap if positive. The damage can't be reversed but the infection can be stopped so it doesn't get any worse.

We may be observing more than one problem here. He may have already been a narcissist for decades. Now some disease is making the expression of the problem more pronounced.

The important thing here is that so many people who have interacted with him lately have come away with the strong impression that "somethin ain't right". He needs a good medical and psychiatric workup. The docs over at Bethesda are really great. He should take advantage of them. He might actually have something they can fix.

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#298816 - 02/18/17 09:10 AM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: Doug Thompson]
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It is an interesting question regarding how much, and how soon Republicans will act on disagreement with the President. Flynn's departure and Puzder's withdrawal aside, this is the most partisan approval process in history. Pruitt was approved today, DeVos and Sessions earlier, on strict party-line votes.
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#298817 - 02/18/17 12:16 PM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: Doug Thompson]
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i think you answered your own question
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#298819 - 02/18/17 03:42 PM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: rporter314]
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John McCain just systematically dismantled Donald Trumpís entire worldview. WaPo. This is the first time John McCain has actually inspired hope in me.
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#298821 - 02/18/17 04:56 PM Re: Donald Trump: Our national nightmare [Re: Doug Thompson]
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Sen McCain has always held a mildly hawkish view of American security in the sense of being pro-active and responding proportionally.

I think he is responding to what he believes is a garish chaotic foreign policy. That policy, I suspect, is a direct result of Bannon's influence.

However, he and Sen Graham have lost to the extremists in the Senate. As long as BAnnon is pulling the levers of foreign policy and we have a narcissist presenting them in irrational pressers, we will have chaos.

40% of Americans love this ... maybe you should get on board the TrumpTrain before FEMA black camps have a cot with your name on it.

I am wondering if I will live long enough to see sanity return
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