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#298314 - 01/22/17 10:07 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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I think Kellyanne explained it pretty well this Sunday. If there seems to be a conflict of what most of us would consider to be, at the very least, untrue the Trump team sees as an "alternate truth". This, apparently, means that there is objective fact, and wishful thinking out loud, and they both have the same truth value.

We live in strange times............

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#298315 - 01/22/17 10:21 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: logtroll]
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I am fairly certain Mr Trump is not smart enough to concoct a plan which involves future machinations to bring about some desired goal.

He reacts without thinking of any consequences.

One possibility which appears to be brewing is to limit media coverage to selected sycophantic friendly organizations. Think Breitbart with 140 word articles or Axios but not CNN or etc.
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#298316 - 01/22/17 10:32 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: NW Ponderer]
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international nuclear conflagration

Not even the greatest person who ever lived, otherwise known as Mr Trump, could change the inertia of global events that fast.

However, he is working in that direction. I am sure PM Netanyahu is encouraging Mr Trump (and all the unpaid allied agents of Israel in Congress) to move the US embassy to Jerusalem in anticipation of the Israeli move to annex the city (facts on the ground). In addition, I am sure PM Netanyahu is calling on Mr trump to allow an Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear facilities, disregarding JCPOA.

Either or both will ensure the US becomes a pariah in the world, if not ensuring not just rising tensions in the ME but possibly perpetual continuous war.

Of course with his linear one dimensional thinking, if he becomes an ally with Russia, it is implicit we would become allies with Iran and Syria. How complicated would it become? Putin calls one minute and says do not attack Iran, Netanyahu calls the next and says attack Iran, what would Mr Trump do? Call Ivanka for advice?

Your nightmare still has possibilities.
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#298317 - 01/23/17 01:09 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
I am fairly certain Mr Trump is not smart enough to concoct a plan which involves future machinations to bring about some desired goal.

He reacts without thinking of any consequences.


I doubt that Mr. Trump is dumb, except in the way even the smartest manipulator is likely to get caught up in an "alternative fact" such that all their cleverness and conniving hides the truck before it hits one.

He is so far been successful eluding harsh consequences by using his mouth the insist the sun rises in the west and selling that alternate reality.

With so many adversaries, he is going to get into a situation that he cannot bullcrap his way out of. Pray we survive it.
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#298318 - 01/23/17 02:43 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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President* Trump won't be releasing his taxes anytime soon. Wikileaks is asking for whistle=blower help:

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#298319 - 01/23/17 02:44 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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President* Trump continues his daily lying.

#ImpeachAndReplace
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#298320 - 01/23/17 04:52 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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I doubt that Mr. Trump is dumb

I suspect he is a uni-directional one dimensional thinker ... examples

taking Russia as an ally ... does he realize Russia is allied with Iran and Syria? How does it work that he could ally with one and not the others? Israel is an enemy of Iran. If Mr Trump allows the Israelis to bomb Iran does that affect his alliance with Russia? If Mr Trump moves the US embassy to Jerusalem does he realize all our ME allies may drop any support against ISIS? Even worse they may acquire nuclear weapons.

Now a real thinker, someone with real intelligence would have figured this out. Someone with limited capabilities would have bumped the china cabinet and will end up buying the whole shop. Which one is Mr Trump?
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#298327 - 01/23/17 12:25 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314

One possibility which appears to be brewing is to limit media coverage to selected sycophantic friendly organizations. Think Breitbart with 140 word articles or Axios but not CNN or etc.

Control the press - I believe that is one of the steps to fascism isn't it? State run media.

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#298334 - 01/23/17 08:08 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: Kaine]
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The question of the day is: Who is the Trump Administration's chief propagandist? Is it Sean Spicer, the Press Secretary who trotted out a series of outright lies, easily disprovable, about the size of the inaugural crowd because his boss had complained about it earlier? Sean Spicerís Rant About Inauguration Crowds Is Packed with Falsehoods - RedState. Is it Kellyanne Conway, his "special advisor" who tried to excuse this behavior as presenting "Alternative Facts"? Trump Aide Says Press Secretary Presented ĎAlternative Factsí - Bloomberg. Is it his Chief of Staff, who literally declared war on the press for pointing out reality? White House vows to fight media 'tooth and nail' over Trump attacks - Reuters. Or Steve Bannon, who apparently co-wrote the inaugural speech? White House Concedes That Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller Wrote Much of Trumpís Speech - Mediaite. Or, perhaps, it is Donald Trump himself, who, in the course of 48 hours has continued his habit of self-aggrandizing prevarication unprecedented in US Presidential history? e.g., claiming to have written his inaugural speech himself, claiming to have the largest inaugural crowd ever, claiming that he hadn't personally attacked the intelligence community, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum. The chutzpah is amazing.
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#298337 - 01/23/17 09:44 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: rporter314]
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moves the US embassy to Jerusalem

thankfully rational voices have temporarily prevailed as Spicer walked it back until it is a process

this is somewhat encouraging
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