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#298346 - 01/24/17 04:02 PM Impossible Possibilities?
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Well, we have seen one, although since it happened I guess it is no longer impossible (i.e. trump as prez.)

Are there others though?

Given the GOPs' current lack of respect for the Consitution (except or the second amendment and other parts when it suits them) and their current substantial control of many state legislatures, how long befort we start to see proposals for:

1. Making the Democratic party illegal as well as any other opposition party illegal.
2. Making Sunday church service compulsory (not one of your choice either but one with the perverted view of christianity they hold.)
3. Making tithing to the church compulsory in addition to taxes.

I know these ideas are unconstitutional, but when has that stopped them from trying? They seem to be continually chipping away at it.

Yup, far fetched and alarmist I know, but last year at this time so was the presidency of trump. (sorry but I refuse to capitalize his name.)
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#298347 - 01/24/17 06:39 PM Re: Impossible Possibilities? [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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despite their self righteous arrogance, they do not have the audacity to ensconce their party as the only party. What they will do is chip away at the parts of the Constitution which they disagree i.e. like J Scalia did when he re-wrote the 2nd amendment. We already have several states legalizing discrimination and using religion as the justification. With VP Pence at the helm, the social order will be changed to reflect the mainstream fundamentalist view.

There are still enough rational congressmen who would object to blatant and outright dissolution of the Constitution by the numerous theocrats in public service.

Wake up and open your eyes .... there has been a soft coup by a group of extremists led by a narcissist.
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#298350 - 01/24/17 10:25 PM Re: Impossible Possibilities? [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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This is how it can start:

North Carolina Republican proposes legislation that would ban people from yelling at lawmakers

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After a video posted on Facebook showed a group of people shouting epithets at former North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory during his trip to D.C. for inaugural weekend, a state senator from North Carolina has proposed legislation that would insulate public officials from verbal criticism.

Sen. Dan Bishop of Charlotte told a Raleigh newspaper he plans on introducing legislation that would “make it a crime to threaten, intimidate, or retaliate against a present or former North Carolina official in the course of, on account of, the performance of his or her duties.”


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Bishop reportedly called the group of people yelling at McCrory in the video “a chanting mob” and “ubiquitous leftist rioters.” He even suggested that the people maybe have “stalked him.” Bishop argued that such behavior warrants a five-year prison sentence.
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#298353 - 01/25/17 06:42 AM Re: Impossible Possibilities? [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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#298354 - 01/25/17 07:44 AM Re: Impossible Possibilities? [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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North Carolina Republican proposes legislation that would ban people from yelling at lawmakers


Idiotic: You take away the First Amendment and the only way people can disagree with you is by using the Second Amendment.

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#298358 - 01/25/17 12:33 PM Re: Impossible Possibilities? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer

PATHETIC!! And this is only one agency. I can see this spreading to all agencies. It's going to be a long 4 years.

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#298360 - 01/25/17 02:53 PM Re: Impossible Possibilities? [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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It's already been a long four years... IN FOUR DAYS!
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#298362 - 01/25/17 03:15 PM Re: Impossible Possibilities? [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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There is more:

South Dakota lawmakers declare state of ’emergency’ to force repeal of voter-imposed ethics law

Yeah, by all means repeal/ignore the voters' choices if you do not like them.

And the band plays on.
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#298364 - 01/25/17 04:14 PM Re: Impossible Possibilities? [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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SD is a red state, isn't it? You'd think those rightie legislators would want to catch all of the corrupt lefties that are trying to bring down America.
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#298368 - 01/25/17 06:00 PM Re: Impossible Possibilities? [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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Quote:
Jim D posted:
South Dakota lawmakers declare state of ’emergency’ to force repeal of voter-imposed ethics law


Ethics? We don't need no stinking ethics!
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#298370 - 01/25/17 07:31 PM Re: Impossible Possibilities? [Re: Kaine]
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Originally Posted By: Kaine
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer

PATHETIC!! And this is only one agency. I can see this spreading to all agencies. It's going to be a long 4 years.

As of last night, it was six agencies that got told not to publish or say anything until the WH has approved it.
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#298777 - 02/16/17 10:50 PM Re: Impossible Possibilities? [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
Jim D (FreeThinker) Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jim D (FreeThinker)
Well, we have seen one, although since it happened I guess it is no longer impossible (i.e. trump as prez.)

Are there others though?

Given the GOPs' current lack of respect for the Consitution (except or the second amendment and other parts when it suits them) and their current substantial control of many state legislatures, how long befort we start to see proposals for:

1. Making the Democratic party illegal as well as any other opposition party illegal.
. . .

Yup, far fetched and alarmist I know, but last year at this time so was the presidency of trump. (sorry but I refuse to capitalize his name.)


Republicans bar Hispanic lawmakers from meeting with ICE

Step 1, isolate the first group.

Quote:
“I’ve been here 25 years and I’ve never been told by the Speaker of the House that I can’t attend a meeting I’ve requested,” Guitierrez said afterward, Politico reported.

According to the lawmakers, both members of the Hispanic Congressional Caucus were barred from entering a meeting between congressional leaders and the federal agency that has ramped up its immigration enforcement following the inauguration President Donald Trump.


Who's next ?!
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#298839 - 02/19/17 09:40 PM Re: Impossible Possibilities? [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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I understand that the Washington State Legislature will soon have a bill which will treat ANY protester as an economic terrorist.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news...ed-as-felonies/


Edited by jgw (02/19/17 09:48 PM)

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#298878 - 02/21/17 04:56 PM Re: Impossible Possibilities? [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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I was listening, yesterday, to njr (nut-job radio, the counter-programming to npr), and the host was going on at length about the threat of the "deep state" against the Trump administration. It was clear to me that he was misapplying the concept, but his tirade made an important point: when we are sanguine about the threats posed to our constitutional order our hubris is likely to bring those very threats to fruition.

I believe we are in the throes of "interesting times" - protests will (and must) continue; legislators and others with authoritarian instincts will attempt to throttle dissent, and firm their grip on power; and real threats to our security and principles will proliferate. We must remain vigilant and resolute. I am personally stirred to action as I have not been in my lifetime. It will be interesting to see how that manifests.
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#298902 - 02/21/17 10:29 PM Re: Impossible Possibilities? [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
Jim D (FreeThinker) Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jim D (FreeThinker)

1. Making the Democratic party illegal as well as any other opposition party illegal.

Yup, far fetched and alarmist I know,


Iowa Republican proposes bill restricting left-leaning faculty at state colleges

Let's see now . . . Identifiy first, then restrict and finally make illegal.

Conservatives have such a weak position that they want disallow other points of view.
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#298907 - 02/22/17 12:22 AM Re: Impossible Possibilities? [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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"The Deep State" simply consists of career federal employees who were there long before Trump and plan on being there long after. Their performance evaluations depend on performing their tasks well, not political beliefs. They may have tasks that Trump doesn't like but are obligated to perform them to the best of their ability until a law or regulation says otherwise.

Some may even be Trump fans, but it does not matter. They do their jobs because that's the job.

They probably also have a bias toward actual solutions to actual problems, which makes them Liberal Scum I suppose, in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

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#298908 - 02/22/17 12:28 AM Re: Impossible Possibilities? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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They probably also have a bias toward actual solutions to actual problems, which makes them Liberal Scum.....,

So true. So damn true.
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