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#300531 - 04/08/17 12:03 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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True, there were important military and manufacturing targets in both. We killed about a quarter of a million people. I'm not saying it wasn't right to end the war in days instead of months. But part of the reason for using the gadgets was to bluff the Japanese into believing we would just keep destroying one city after another until Japan was dead. If they would surrender, the country and people could survive.

It was terrorism by any definition because our intention was to terrorize them.

And it worked. They surrendered, we occupied very benevolently, and their country was saved. And we supplied military security for the next 70 years, so they barely had to spend a cent on it.
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#300631 - 04/12/17 12:34 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pondering_it_all]
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#300634 - 04/12/17 03:02 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: Schlack]
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#300648 - 04/12/17 07:53 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: Schlack]
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Comey was appointed to his job in 2013 and confirmed by the Senate. His term is 10 years. It would look like Nixon all over again if Trump fired him in the middle of an investigation into Trump's team. Firing people who were investigating him would have led directly to impeachment if Nixon had not resigned.

From Comey's point of view, being fired by Trump would be the best way to repair his reputation! In a few years, he could run for the Senate, or something similar.

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#300661 - 04/13/17 03:04 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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The Senate: with some nice robes, gilded laurel wreaths and empty talk - just right up the Boss' alley.
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#300807 - 04/20/17 12:37 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: Irked]
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Key Official in Trump-Russia Investigation Will Step Down

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Mary B. McCord, who has been helping oversee the Justice Department’s probe into Russian interference in the presidential election, is stepping down from her post as the acting head of the department’s national security division and leaving the federal government in the coming weeks, a source familiar with McCord’s role told The Intercept. The source, who asked not to be identified as McCord’s departure has not been formally announced, said that McCord plans to work in academia after leaving government.

It was not immediately clear who will take over for McCord. “I can confirm that Mary is leaving DOJ next month,” said Marc Raimondi, a spokesperson for the Justice Department, by email. “I cannot provide any additional material at this time.”


Report: WH Directed Intel Agencies To Find Cover For Trump's Wiretap Claims

Erik Prince acted as Trump envoy in Russian meetings: report

Page's visits to moscow warranted FBI investigation

Add to that rumours of state investigations (Trump only has power of fed pardons), and Guiliani and flynn flirting with the FBI for immunity.

When does dripping become a flood.

Also:

Utah Congressman Jason Chaffetz Will Not Seek Re-Election
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#300808 - 04/20/17 02:38 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Chaffetz wants to be gone to avoid the stain of the collapse. Expect more exits.
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#300809 - 04/20/17 04:32 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Chavez more time with family

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"I've been away from my family for more than 1,500 nights," Chaffetz added. "You have to reevaluate your life when you're sleeping on a cot in your office and you just turned 50."

"I want to re-introduce myself to my family," said Chaffetz, who is about to become an empty-nester after his kids move out.


So after all that time away from family and the stress-free raising of teenagers, is it safe to return, now that the nest is emptying? Could be a real motive explaining the timing.

He has found it less fun to investigate his own party instead of the enemy Democrats. He used to be a field-goal and extra point kicker in college, so I bet he also could handle a punt.

Still, there sure is a lot of Russian money and rumors from unnamed sources about Kompromat. It would be safer to be outside of the kill radius when the Russian bomb explodes.

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#300811 - 04/20/17 07:10 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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stain of collapse ... hmmmm

Rep Chaffetz was a one trick pony ... harass and demonize Sec Clinton while demonstrating he did not have a clue about IT ... maybe failure was too much for him or maybe he thought he succeeded when Mr Trump won the election and it was time to retire

I don't put too much into people quitting or retiring from government service unless we see 400 quit at one time (I am being hyperbolic) or don;t attach meaning where there is no meaning

i dunno
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#300813 - 04/20/17 10:34 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Chaffetz wants to run for Utah Governor in 2020. He needs time away to organize for that, and for the electorate to forget what he has NOT been doing in Congress.
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