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#299376 - 03/08/17 06:48 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Us blue-staters took a vote - we don't want New Mexico. Bye Felicias. smile
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#299378 - 03/08/17 07:32 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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I don't know about that, Rick.
But the problem is, no way is a land bridge going to be built between NM and the three West Coast states, so New Mexico will still be a slightly blue island in the middle of a red war zone anyway.

Maybe New Mexico and Colorado could try pairing their fortunes together.


Edited by Jeffery J. Haas (03/08/17 07:33 PM)
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#299399 - 03/09/17 10:30 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Want charisma, celebrity, glamour?

Run George Clooney. Yes, he's a progressive Democrat. And VERY popular.

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#299403 - 03/09/17 02:44 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Want charisma, celebrity, glamour?

Run George Clooney. Yes, he's a progressive Democrat. And VERY popular.

Spot on, mate! And his partner is even more spectacular.
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#299406 - 03/09/17 04:19 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: logtroll]
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What does this education look like, and how is it accomplished?

first let it be noted that based on sociological studies many people are fixed in youth as being either conservative or liberal. On top of that there is a group who possess an irrational fear of government in particular and change in general. Can not address the irrational

I also believe for the most part people can learn the basics of clear logical thought based on facts. This is critical for education. It is a long term project as one must learn what facts are and how to process them.

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What does the fighting look like?
I look around the world and see varying degrees of violence related to changes in government. America was founded in a revolution. Turkey experienced an attempted coup. Hungary revolted from Russian rule. Any number of countries are in civil war.

In the west we have a long tradition of orderly non-violent transfer of power. It makes sense. Suppose a president assumes some degree of authoritarian power (unitary executive) which borders on the collapse of democracy. Would Americans be sheep and allow the water boarding to begin? Would we allow government to deport Muslims?

I know these are extreme examples but the current occupant of the WH has surrounded himself with people who are purveyors of bigotry and a revolutionary approach to deconstruct government. The one redeeming feature of dictatorship is the ease with which everything can be done without the encumbrances of government interference.

I just had to ask the question as apparently repubicans/conservatives are on board for anything.
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#299408 - 03/09/17 05:51 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pondering_it_all]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline


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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Want charisma, celebrity, glamour?

Run George Clooney. Yes, he's a progressive Democrat. And VERY popular.


Heh heh heh...Republicans would start slitting their wrists if he decided to run. ROTFMOL
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#299410 - 03/09/17 06:49 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Want charisma, celebrity, glamour?

Run George Clooney. Yes, he's a progressive Democrat. And VERY popular.

Oprah Winfrey is thinking about running too. We'd def get the black and women's vote. Hmm

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
[Heh heh heh...Republicans would start slitting their wrists if he decided to run. ROTFMOL

They'd really be slitting their wrists if Oprah ran. laugh
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#299421 - 03/10/17 02:10 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Oprah would be cool, but George has that White and Male thing going for him.

Plus far more celebrity than Trump and women LOVE him. They like and admire Oprah but very few of them have Oprah sex fantasies.

I'm just thinking that if people are dumb enough to vote for celebrities, might as well give them one who is sane and ethical. Of course, Trump is not the first: Think Ronnie and even Eisenhower.

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#299476 - 03/11/17 11:45 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Turns out that Michael Flynn was a foreign agent while working for the Trump campaign, Mike Pence had to know this while he heading the transition team.

Trump was supposedly FOR SHOCKED that his former National Security Adviser Michael "Good Guy" Flynn was a foreign agent - at least that's what the White House said.

AP reports that the Trump transition team was indeed told before the inauguration ó sometime between November 8 and January 20 ó that Flynn would probably have to register as a traitor foreign agent if he wanted to be national security adviser. That comes from a ďWhite House official and a person with direct knowledge of the discussions." Per the AP:

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A White House official said Flynnís personal lawyer contacted Trump transition attorneys before the inauguration about the possible filing as he was being considered for appointment as Trumpís national security adviser. The official said the transition team was not made aware of the filingís details and Flynnís related business dealings, and advised Flynnís lawyer that it was a personal matter they would need to handle. The official was not authorized to discuss private conversations and spoke on condition of anonymity.


***Pffft*** Trump didn't know?!? I call bullsh!t. gobsmacked

Trump's White House can't even figure out how to lie about Flynn being a foreign agent. Sad. coffee

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#299516 - 03/12/17 09:52 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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One thing to note: Flynn was a Turkish agent, not Russian. Turkey is in NATO, so technically not an enemy. So "traitor" may be a little far-fetched.

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