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#299518 - 03/13/17 01:51 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
In the west we have a long tradition of orderly non-violent transfer of power. It makes sense. Suppose a president assumes some degree of authoritarian power (unitary executive) which borders on the collapse of democracy. Would Americans be sheep and allow the water boarding to begin? Would we allow government to deport Muslims?

Certainly! They would stampede like sheep into dictatorship and martial law (or its equivalent).

All that is needed is for the Deep State to engineer a Reichstag Fire, or a 9/11 or other incident. Laws and Constitution would be trampled into dust by the mindless herd.

We've already seen it happen with the so-called "Patriot Act."
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#299669 - 03/17/17 03:49 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: TatumAH]
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#299765 - 03/19/17 04:55 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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There is a Wordpress.com website that lists, in esquisite detail with supporting links, 76 connections of Donald J Trump to Russia Oligarchy or Putin himself. It's really quite good.

Trump Watchdog.com

Here are a few examples, minus links. If you want to read the details of the links, go the link provided above.

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Trump's son in Law is Jared Kushner, the former owner of the Observer. The Observer received the DNC hacks from Guccifer 2.0 who is rumored to be a Russian agent.

Guccifer 2.0 and Roger Stone were apparently in contact up to 16 times during the 2016 campaign.

Jared Kushner’s parents are friends with Netanyahu. Netanyahu has forged an alliance with Putin.

His Chief Strategist is Steve Bannon. Bannon is the CEO of Breitbart, with the Mercer family having majority ownership. The Mercers, along with Bannon are heavily involved in Cambridge Analytica a data gathering firm. Cambridge Analytica’s parent company is SCL Group, which lists Dmitry Firtash as a board member. Breitbart and Bannon have extensive ties to the far right movement in Europe which is also funded by Putin.

His second campaign manager is Paul Manafort. He had to resign in August due to having questionable Russian ties like Dmitry Firtash and the former Ukrainian President. Manafort lives in Trump tower, along with Kellyanne Conway and her husband.

Mike McSherry, former Delegate strategist for the Trump campaign also lobbied for the same Ukrainian presidential candidate as Paul Manafort.

Rick Gates, Manaforts top aid also lobbied for Pro-Putin Ukrainian candidate.

Per Politico, Manafort met with Konstantin Kilimnikmultiple times during the campaign. The first time appears to be in April, maybe when Trump gave that speech? Kilimnik is thought to be part of Russian intelligence.

They worked Oleg Deripaska on investment funds in Ukraine. Firtash worked with Russian Mob Semion Moglivech boss to help Gazprom oversee Natural Gas distribution to Ukraine.

Trump advisor J.D. Gordon is claiming that he was the advisor who had the Ukraine language softened at the Republican National Convention, at the request of Donald Trump.

Kellyanne Conway’s husband has business dealings with the Russian government and deleted tweets about it once Conway was chosen. (Conway, Bannon, and the Mercers are part of the “Council on National Policy” a secretive far right think tank group.)

George Conway represented a firm that bribed the Russian government.

Trump sold his condo to Dmitry Rybolovev, whose private plane keeps showing up where Trump is. Rybolovev is a Russian billionaire with ties to Putin.

There is a Pro-Russian Think tank called the Center for the National Interest (CNI). CNI Board Member Henry Kissinger, former US Diplomat and current Putin confidante, has gotten close to Trump.

Kissinger suggested both Tillerson and KT McFarland to Trump.
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#299772 - 03/19/17 07:51 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Stop the presses:

Key Democratic Officials Now Warning Base Not to Expect Evidence of Trump/Russia Collusion
The Intercept

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Key Democratic officials are clearly worried about the expectations that have been purposely stoked and are now trying to tamp them down. Many of them have tried to signal that the beliefs the base has been led to adopt have no basis in reason or evidence.
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#299773 - 03/19/17 07:53 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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...and then there is this as well:

Russian bank tells DOJ mysterious Trump computer connections may have been hacker hoax

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A Russian bank has reported to U.S. authorities that mysterious communications resumed recently between one of its computers and an email server tied to President Trump’s business empire, and it has developed evidence the new activity may be the work of a hacker trying to create a political hoax, Circa has learned.

Alfa Bank is asking the U.S. Justice Department for help solving the mystery and pledged its full cooperation.
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#299774 - 03/19/17 07:53 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Bummer. cry
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#299776 - 03/19/17 08:59 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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I'm not one who believes there would be a smoking gun. Remember, these are Russian professionals. Where evidence will connect Trump's minions and Russia are the amateurs, like Mike Flynn, Jared Kushner, or Donald Trump, Jr., who are not sophisticated enough to cover their tracks. Trump, of course, has the ability to stifle any serious investigation by not providing documents, serving up distractions and the support of moral-less sycophants in his administration and Congress.
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#299789 - 03/20/17 02:53 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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I'm frustrated NW_P, I see a repeat of the Reagan/W years in our country's future. It sucks. Hmm
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#299792 - 03/20/17 04:11 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick


I'm frustrated NW_P, I see a repeat of the Reagan/W years in our country's future. It sucks. Hmm


Maybe you are still blocking on the Bush years! Reagan, who would now be a pinko librul, only invaded Grenada. Bush and Cheney brought the world to catasstrophy that just keeps on giving.

Consider how you think the world would be now, if Gore had been president. Now try to conceive the long term damage inevitable after only a few years of Trump! I cant and dont want to even consider it! Butt, here we are!
I blame Karl Rove and FuxGnus!

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#299795 - 03/20/17 05:05 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: TatumAH]
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...Bush and Cheney brought the world to catasstrophy that just keeps on giving...

Well Cheney did. I never believed that George W was the affable dimwit that many said he was. I always thought it was a con, and that he really was dark, sinister, and soulless man.

Turns out that George W really IS an affable dimwit and it's Cheney (...and Libby) that re-wrote the Intel to get us into a unnecessary war of inconvenience, I learned after viewing the Frontline link above.

Originally Posted By: TatumAH
Consider how you think the world would be now, if Gore had been president.

I actually have, many times. Which is why I don't believe there is a God - no way would a supposed superior and intelligent being allow the Republicans to ever control our government and our lives.

Pretty sure that our world would be a much better and safer place today, had Gore been President instead of W Bush.
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