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#299123 - 03/01/17 02:48 AM How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage
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The "apparently" official GOP Obamacare replacement was leaked and it targets Trump voters with surgical precision. How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage. The Atlantic. Be careful who you vote for.
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#299130 - 03/01/17 08:11 AM Re: How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Be careful who you vote for.

Right?!? dunce

...from your link:

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For people not covered by employers or public insurance who have to purchase insurance on individual, small group, or exchange markets, this proposal would allow insurers to charge up to 30 percent more in premiums to people who go without coverage at any point for more than two months, and also for young adults who don’t enroll in coverage as soon as they age out of their parents’ plans, a surcharge that would not be remitted as taxes to sustain the system, but would be paid as profits to insurers. The effects of this potential measure on individuals’ pockets are potentially limited by a reduction of federal oversight over what can be considered health-insurance coverage, which would allow people to avoid penalties by purchasing barebones coverage.

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...The result of all these provisions would almost certainly be a system that benefits people who already have wealth and health and penalizes others, but there would also be very strong geographic effects. For one, pegging Medicaid spending to a base year would reduce states’ ability to ramp up health-care spending because of disasters or emerging health problems, and these problems already exert the most pressures on states and areas with infrastructure that is ill-equipped to combat them. Rural residents already rely much more heavily on public insurance than do city-dwellers, so any reductions of funding and funding flexibility will have a larger effect on the health issues they face
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#299136 - 03/01/17 08:29 PM Re: How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage [Re: NW Ponderer]
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That's The Republican Way: Screw the working class and poor people. It's so ingrained in their DNA they have to do it, even though these very people gave them the White House and Congressional majorities. It's the "shoot your own foot" gene.

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#299138 - 03/01/17 10:47 PM Re: How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The "plan" from the GOP appears to accrete all the worst ideas in healthcare - Health Savings Accounts, catastrophic only coverage plans, insurance company hegemony, cross-border sales, individual medicaid caps, block grants to States.
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#299143 - 03/02/17 12:07 AM Re: How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I am still trying to wrap my poor little brain around this problem and every facet of the conservative plans always results in failure for one of two reasons.
1. the people who are supposed to be covered in most cases can not afford to pay enough nor make enough for enough credit.
2. the government underfunds other options

the only reason these folks are even talking about healthcare is because of ACA - their constituents liked the idea. Unfortunately for them, their ideology prevents them from finding a solution
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#299144 - 03/02/17 12:22 AM Re: How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage [Re: NW Ponderer]
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It's all about redistribution: The well and rich have to pay more to cover the sick and poor. Of course, in the future the well and rich probably will be the sick and poor, but let's not confuse the morons with facts.

If you don't have redistribution the sick and poor get sicker and die. Simple fact. Republicans can't stand the idea of redistribution, and therefore are not competent to devise a system that requires that.

All we can do is wait. If enough people die, then maybe people will be nostalgic about ACA and figure out that Republican policies kill.

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#299344 - 03/08/17 01:02 AM Re: How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage [Re: pondering_it_all]
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This is the best description of what the proposed GOP health(I DON'T) care bill would actually do:
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The bill aims to take a wrecking ball to the principle of universal coverage. If enacted, millions of Americans would end up without any coverage. For many people who purchase individual policies, especially older people, it promises fewer services for more money. And it also proposes a big tax cut for the rich, which would be financed by slashing Medicaid, the federal program that provides health care to low-income people.
The New Yorker.
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#299345 - 03/08/17 01:17 AM Re: How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Here's a plan to make sure we get a really good plan:

Pass a law (yeah, right, I know...) that says all people in politics have to limit themselves to the same level of healthcare that the poorest 10% of the population have. And they don't get to spend any of their own money on extras, either.
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#299348 - 03/08/17 01:32 AM Re: How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage [Re: logtroll]
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The best Republican heath care plan out there (the one that they really want) is survival of the fittest. Pay to play-- or simply vanish. Preferably quietly without any hysterical and fake news creating dustups and other untoward noises. Free markets and all of that.

That would cut costs tremendously and allow only the worthy to prosper without the annoying sick and dying mucking up matters.
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#299350 - 03/08/17 01:51 AM Re: How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage [Re: Ken Condon]
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So they've named Trumpcare the American Care Act. Now they can repeal Obamacare and keep the ACA like the Trump supporters want.
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