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#299351 - 03/08/17 01:53 AM Re: How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The clue was when Dr Price would only say, he will provide access. It's not access but coverage people need.

Free market solutions - didn't the free market operate prior to ACA? yes of course and it found no solution.

Sprinkling conservative ideological magic powder on a stack of papers does not provide a solution.
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#299354 - 03/08/17 02:33 AM Re: How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
So they've named Trumpcare the American Care Act. Now they can repeal Obamacare and keep the ACA like the Trump supporters want.

At least they won't be pretending that it's affordable... in the name, anyway.
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#299355 - 03/08/17 05:12 AM Re: How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage [Re: NW Ponderer]
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If one were to think up the least effective, least humane, most expensive plan possible, it would look EXACTLY like the GOP plan. That is NOT an exaggeration.
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#299358 - 03/08/17 05:56 AM Re: How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage [Re: NW Ponderer]
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least effective, least humane, most expensive plan possible


About what we were expecting, eh? All those folks suffering under Obamacare will be so relieved.
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#299400 - 03/09/17 10:43 AM Re: How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The ironic thing is that my wife (a Liberal) will get a $4000 tax credit she did not get under her ACA policy. (Too much income for any subsidy.) But tons of Trump supporters get the Republican's "go home and die" option.

And they deserve it: We voted to save them in spite of it costing us, and they voted to die. What are you going to do, when people would rather die than vote to keep their health insurance? Maybe it's just Natural Selection.

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#299407 - 03/09/17 04:59 PM Re: How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage [Re: pondering_it_all]
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While we often think of the Republican base as uneducated, lower middle class, blue collar workers who have been left behind by technological advances and have seen their jobs relocated overseas, the truth is that a huge percentage of them are pretty well off. Highly paid managers, executives, and business owners who hate to pay taxes and hate government regulation that cuts into their already hefty profits.
It is they who will reap the benefits of this health care plan.
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#299409 - 03/09/17 06:31 PM Re: How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The Republican base, like the Democratic base, is diverse. The Republican political class, however, is not. Before this election there was much rending of clothes and gnashing of teeth about the impending demise of the GOP. The underlying schism within the party remains as exemplified by the healthcare debacle.

There is a real opportunity to remake politics in this environment. The resist movement demonstrates how. The Democratic party is, by nature, more diverse and welcoming. It has, in modern history, been a champion of individual freedom and identity through cooperative policy. If it focuses on those things, it can bring millions into the fold who think they are conservative, but depend on society to make it. It's a sales job, and it requires commitment to the fundamental values of the party. It needs to start now.
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#299412 - 03/09/17 08:23 PM Re: How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
...It's a sales job, and it requires commitment to the fundamental values of the party. It needs to start now.

Now yer talkin'...
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#299413 - 03/09/17 09:53 PM Re: How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage [Re: logtroll]
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It's a hard sell to the lower income conservative crowd.

They are mostly a hate based group.They hate black people, Muslims, Mexicans, Jews, pushy women, and queers. They hate government programs designed to lift these people up and give them the same rights they have. If you aint white, Christian, or straight they have some hatred tucked away somewhere for you even if they pretend otherwise. Many of them depend on government programs to survive, but their perception is that these programs inordinately reward minorities while shafting "more deserving" white, Christian, straight, conservatives like themselves.
There are a few things they love...cops, the military, Israel(because Israel hates some of the same people they hate) and more recently Vladimir Putin and Russia(Because they perceive Putin as a "strong leader") While they shout about Freedom from the rooftops you might note that what they love represents mostly authoritarianism and a distinct lack of freedom. On the bright side...unless they are voting against something they hate(pushy women this time around)they vote in smaller numbers than their more wealthy counterparts in the election.

And it's a hard sell to wealthier and upper middle class Republicans who never miss a chance to vote for lower taxes and less regulation They may be outright racists and haters too, but they are only in it for the money and count on government to keep minorities in their place. They are the ones the Republican Party caters to. They're generous donors, dependable voters, and see eye to eye with the local politicians they golf with and national politicians they send checks to. Perhaps Hillary Clinton's biggest campaign promise was that she would "go where the money was" and raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans. That could have backfired a little bit.
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#299419 - 03/10/17 02:01 AM Re: How a GOP Health-Care Plan Could Leave Rural Areas Devoid of Coverage [Re: NW Ponderer]
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If the poor and working class had not voted for Trump, the Registered Republicans (people have economic reasons to benefit from Republican ideas) would only represent about 33% of voters. Democratic Party members far outnumber Republican Party members, and these are the idealistically committed.

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