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#299509 - 03/12/17 08:52 PM Re: GOP at war with itself on health care [Re: rporter314]
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I am still waiting on the plan to put 93M people to work ...

Galley rowing ships. “They" would be paid though--about half the minimum wage. Aside from putting millions back to work it could also be promoted as an environmentally friendly mode of transport. No burned fossil fuels and all of that..........
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#299514 - 03/12/17 09:28 PM Re: GOP at war with itself on health care [Re: Ken Condon]
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Feeding your rowers could get expensive. I know where you could find a lot of people you would not have to feed much: Just go round them up at every WalMart.

You could sell it as a job program combined with a weight-loss program! LOL

Seriously though, my 62 year old wife is in a quandary: Should she go find a job with an employer that supplies group coverage, or can she just coast on ACA for three more years? Republican plans would charge her 5x instead of 3x, but give her $4000. What's the difference? Unless they kill ACA with no replacement, because they don't have the votes to do anything but do have the votes to death spiral ACA.

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#299523 - 03/13/17 12:09 PM Re: GOP at war with itself on health care [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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The race to the bottom..."yeah, we can win that race!"

To quote our feckless liter: "We're gonna win so much, you may even get tired of winning."
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#299526 - 03/13/17 01:42 PM Re: GOP at war with itself on health care [Re: NW Ponderer]
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"Access to healthcare" means you can have whatever you can afford.

Paul Ryan's emphasis on "economic freedom" means better off people won't be forced to support the insurance pool.

This whole thing is a dance around the competing ideologies of healthcare as a social responsibility; and narrow, selfish capitalism.

I say narrow, selfish capitalism, because in the big picture, I believe that socialized healthcare would support the more pragmatic and productive economic system.
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#299529 - 03/13/17 03:39 PM Re: GOP at war with itself on health care [Re: NW Ponderer]
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"We're gonna win so much, you may even get tired of winning."

If this is winning I'm already tired of it.
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#299531 - 03/13/17 03:46 PM Re: GOP at war with itself on health care [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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Trumpcare is as dead on arrival as life behind Melania Trump's eyes:

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#299532 - 03/13/17 03:47 PM Re: GOP at war with itself on health care [Re: Greger]
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I have concluded that when a rightie says "winning", they only mean that they are being successful at wrecking things that liberals (and other sane people) want.
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#299533 - 03/13/17 03:48 PM Re: GOP at war with itself on health care [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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Trump's assault on poor people begins in earnest, because the military industrial complex needs that sweet, sweet government welfare more than poor people do.
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#299535 - 03/13/17 03:56 PM Re: GOP at war with itself on health care [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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Six pages of Trumpcare a devoted to the hypothetical event of what happens when a poor person wins their states' Lottery. Six pages are lot given how the few pages in the bill there are.
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#299536 - 03/13/17 03:57 PM Re: GOP at war with itself on health care [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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Um...literally everybody knew that Health care is complicated - expect you, Mr. Failed Businessman. Sad!
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