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#299755 - 03/19/17 02:48 PM Trump's "Mean Budget" Demonstrates Profound Ignorance of Governing
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Mick Mulvaney, Trump's OMB director, is an ideological prick, and always had been.Wikipedia. His fingerprints are all over the budget outline recently delivered - long on ideology, short on logic or justification. The 62 agencies and programs Trump wants to eliminate - USA TODAY.

When Mulvaney was appointed, it showcased ideology over acumen. Mulvaney, like Paul Ryan, knows enough about economics to talk his way through discussion (both have Bachelor's in economic fields), but doesn't understand it in any meaningful way. It's like the difference between a bookkeeper and a CPA. One can put numbers in the right place, the other understand the implications of the numbers, tax consequences, strategies, etc.

Trump's "advisors" are long on tactics and devoid of strategic thinking - previously, not a single one had an advanced degree in economics. The wonkless White House - the Economist. Most are "hedge fund" guys, not academics who think beyond making money.

The problem is, Trump has contempt for academics - after all, he was a mediocre student, and barely earned a bachelor's degree- and he doesn't like that so many people are actually smarter than him. Instead, his ego allows him to be manipulated easily by just those folks, so blatant ideologues have taken over. For the most part he doesn't understand that stuff, so he leaves it to others. To the extent Trump has influence, he just doesn't care.


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#299759 - 03/19/17 03:45 PM Re: Trump's "Mean Budget" Demonstrates Profound Ignorance of Governing [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I do not know about you but trying to keep track of all of the incompetencies of this regime is exhausting. I applaud your efforts to keep pointing things out.

While this may not be a primary goal I suppose it serves their purposes. Sigh.
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#299766 - 03/19/17 04:56 PM Re: Trump's "Mean Budget" Demonstrates Profound Ignorance of Governing [Re: NW Ponderer]
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When Bush was elected and appointed neophytes and ideologues to positions of importance, I decried the amateur, uneducated, and downright stupid actions they took. Through the lens of nostalgia, those were halcyon days. The level of incompetence and antipathy to governance in this nascent administration is unprecedented, and not even by a little. I expect that in six months half of the cabinet will have been replaced. Price will be next, with Sessions to follow. Talk about corrupt!
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#299770 - 03/19/17 07:29 PM Re: Trump's "Mean Budget" Demonstrates Profound Ignorance of Governing [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
...Trump has contempt for academics - after all, he was a mediocre student, and barely earned a bachelor's degree- and he doesn't like that so many people are actually smarter than him. Instead, his ego allows him to be manipulated easily by just those folks, so blatant ideologues have taken over. For the most part he doesn't understand that stuff, so he leaves it to others. To the extent Trump has influence, he just doesn't care.

Great summary of our current President. Bow
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#299802 - 03/20/17 10:08 AM Re: Trump's "Mean Budget" Demonstrates Profound Ignorance of Governing [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I honestly think he is hiring nincompoops because firing people was good for ratings on Apprentice. And that's all he really cares about.

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#299805 - 03/20/17 02:02 PM Re: Trump's "Mean Budget" Demonstrates Profound Ignorance of Governing [Re: NW Ponderer]
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But your analysis is precisely why Republican/conservatives love this guy i.e. as Rep Jolly said thus morning, he does not have the intellect to be president, thus all the idiot-ologues have found a savior.

You are precisely and exactly correct saying, even though, they have degrees in eco, etc, it does not mean they actually understand economics. I always got a kick out of conservatives saying Spkr Gingrich, who had a history degree, was a historian. But he did not understand history nor could he recite historical facts correctly.

Dir Mulvaney sounds like a 3rd world country dictator saying Mr Trumps supporters will get the spoils of a won election. What happened to the rest of Americans? Are we all frakked???
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#299808 - 03/20/17 03:18 PM Re: Trump's "Mean Budget" Demonstrates Profound Ignorance of Governing [Re: rporter314]
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What happened to the rest of Americans? Are we all frakked???

In a word, yes. But it's not just progressives. Only the 1% are intended to survive. Voodoo economics says the tide that floats their boats will trickle down and eventually(in the fevered dreams of conservative economic wonks) float the smaller, leaky boats the rest of us find ourselves in.
In truth, I think what we'll see is a tsunami of legislation aimed at improving the lives of the wealthy and and rapidly sinking the rest of us beneath the waves.
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#299922 - 03/24/17 12:56 AM Re: Trump's "Mean Budget" Demonstrates Profound Ignorance of Governing [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Anyone for getting rid of the sclerotic, 18th-century horse-and-buggy Constitution and creating one fit for the 21st-century?

Or is the present Constitution a Suicide Pact?
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#299923 - 03/24/17 01:03 AM Re: Trump's "Mean Budget" Demonstrates Profound Ignorance of Governing [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Robert Mercer & the Dark Money Behind Trump and Bannon
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We turn now to look at the man who is said to have out-Koched the Koch brothers in the 2016 election. His name is Robert Mercer, a secretive billionaire hedge-fund tycoon who, along with his daughter Rebekah, is credited by many with playing an instrumental role in Donald Trumpís election.

Trumpís chief strategist, Steve Bannon, said, quote, "The Mercers laid the groundwork for the Trump revolution. Irrefutably, when you look at donors during the past four years, they have had the single biggest impact of anybody, including the Kochs." Before Bannon and Kellyanne Conway joined the Trump campaign, both worked closely with the Mercers. The Mercers bankrolled Bannonís Breitbart News, as well as some of Bannonís film projects. Conway ran a super PAC created by the Mercers to initially back the candidacy of Ted Cruz.

The Mercers also invested in a data mining firm called Cambridge Analytica, which claims it has psychological profiles of over 200 million American voters. The firm was hired by the Trump campaign to help target its message to potential voters.
While the Mercers have helped reshape the American political landscape, their work has all been done from the shadows. They donít speak to the media and rarely even speak in public.

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#299958 - 03/25/17 02:28 AM Re: Trump's "Mean Budget" Demonstrates Profound Ignorance of Governing [Re: NW Ponderer]
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So, the very worst enemies of industrial democracies aren't terrorists.
Turns out the very worst enemies of an industrial democracy is "secretive billionaires"...very ANGRY RIGHT WING secretive billionaires.
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