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#299593 - 03/15/17 02:51 PM Politispeak
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Is anybody besides me sick of "there there"? As in, "We need to see if there's any 'there' there." Great way to be as vague as possible.

And then there's "nothing burger." Ted Cruz and Paul Ryan love the term. Esquire refined it to "nothingburger." I call it lazy talk.

And don't even get me started on "different than." I never hear ANYONE way "different from." Politicians and the media should be required to read a usage manual.

Hope I don't trip as I step down from my soap box.
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#299597 - 03/15/17 04:55 PM Re: Politispeak [Re: Spag-hetti]
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There, there, Spag, it's OK!


Quote:
It is was it is!

That is another meaningless nothingburger, that may have started as a paraphrase of Bill Clinton, in his sophistry driven existential analysis of:
Quote:
the meaning of the word 'is' is.


Quote:
"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true."


My ears lit up the other night when I heard some talking head comment that a certain statement was not just hyperbowl!

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#299598 - 03/15/17 05:29 PM Re: Politispeak [Re: TatumAH]
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Quote:
hyperbowl


Isn't that a big football game played each year between the Democratic and Republican Congressional teams?

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#299600 - 03/15/17 08:00 PM Re: Politispeak [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Quote:
hyperbowl


Isn't that a big football game played each year between the Democratic and Republican Congressional teams?


I thought it was the football game at the ADHD picnic.

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#299677 - 03/17/17 07:25 PM Re: Politispeak [Re: TatumAH]
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Lack of Oxford Comma Could Cost Maine Company Millions in Overtime Dispute

Beware of the Serial Comma! I saw this that fits with the original intent of Spag's/Spags' thread.

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If there were a comma after “shipment,” it might have been clear that the law exempted the distribution of perishable foods. But the appeals court on Monday sided with the drivers, saying the absence of a comma produced enough uncertainty to rule in their favor. It reversed a lower court decision.

In other words: Oxford comma defenders won this round.

“That comma would have sunk our ship,” David G. Webbert, a lawyer who represented the drivers, said in an interview on Wednesday.


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What ensued in the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit, and in a 29-page court decision handed down on Monday, was an exercise in high-stakes grammar pedantry

Tat

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A class-action lawsuit about overtime pay for truck drivers hinged entirely on a debate that has bitterly divided friends, families and foes: The dreaded — or totally necessary — Oxford comma, perhaps the most polarizing of punctuation marks.

What ensued in the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit, and in a 29-page court decision handed down on Monday, was an exercise in high-stakes grammar pedantry that could cost a dairy company in Portland, Me., an estimated $10 million.

In 2014, three truck drivers sued Oakhurst Dairy, seeking more than four years’ worth of overtime pay that they had been denied. Maine law requires workers to be paid 1.5 times their normal rate for each hour worked after 40 hours, but it carves out some exemptions.

A quick punctuation lesson before we proceed: In a list of three or more items — like “beans, potatoes and rice” — some people would put a comma after potatoes, and some would leave it out. A lot of people feel very, very strongly about it.

The debate over commas is often a pretty inconsequential one, but it was anything but for the truck drivers. Note the lack of Oxford comma — also known as the serial comma — in the following state law, which says overtime rules do not apply to:

The canning, processing, preserving, freezing, drying, marketing, storing, packing for shipment or distribution of:

(1) Agricultural produce;

(2) Meat and fish products; and

(3) Perishable foods.

Does the law intend to exempt the distribution of the three categories that follow, or does it mean to exempt packing for the shipping or distribution of them?

Delivery drivers distribute perishable foods, but they don’t pack the boxes themselves. Whether the drivers were subject to a law that had denied them thousands of dollars a year depended entirely on how the sentence was read.

If there were a comma after “shipment,” it might have been clear that the law exempted the distribution of perishable foods. But the appeals court on Monday sided with the drivers, saying the absence of a comma produced enough uncertainty to rule in their favor. It reversed a lower court decision.

In other words: Oxford comma defenders won this round.

“That comma would have sunk our ship,” David G. Webbert, a lawyer who represented the drivers, said in an interview on Wednesday.


Edited by TatumAH (03/17/17 07:31 PM)
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#299680 - 03/17/17 08:09 PM Re: Politispeak [Re: TatumAH]
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ROTFMOL Grammar finally gets the respect it deserves!

In most grammar/usage books, after about 5 pages of comma rules, there is that last rule that usually says something like, "... and anywhere needed for clarity."

Love it!
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#299687 - 03/17/17 08:58 PM Re: Politispeak [Re: Spag-hetti]
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Originally Posted By: Spag-hetti
In most grammar/usage books, after about 5 pages of comma rules, there is that last rule that usually says something like, "... and anywhere needed for clarity."
Love it!
"... and, anywhere needed, for clarity."

Belt, AND suspenders, is my motto!
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#299692 - 03/17/17 09:58 PM Re: Politispeak [Re: TatumAH]
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It is a good thing these folks were not around in 1790 - random capitalization (not capitalism) and virtually no grammatical rules were in fact the norm

I wonder what the grammar police would say about the phrase in the 2nd amendment in a time when there were not grammatical rules?
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#299694 - 03/17/17 10:45 PM Re: Politispeak [Re: Spag-hetti]
TatumAH Offline
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Originally Posted By: Spag-hetti
ROTFMOL Grammar finally gets the respect it deserves!

In most grammar/usage books, after about 5 pages of comma rules, there is that last rule that usually says something like, "... and anywhere needed for clarity."

Love it!


Quote:
Summer has come
Winter has went
This was not did by accident
The birds have flaw
As we have saw
And this was did by natures law


I think this needs a comma or too to enhance it's clarity. Their also may be to much lines.

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#299714 - 03/18/17 01:28 PM Re: Politispeak [Re: TatumAH]
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Tatum cruelly posted:

Quote:

Summer has come
Winter has went
This was not did by accident
The birds have flaw
As we have saw
And this was did by natures law


I think this needs a comma or too to enhance it's clarity. Their also may be to much lines.


Ow! That made my eyeballs ache.
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