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#298501 - 01/31/17 11:53 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
pondering_it_all Offline
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The only "efficiency" of business over government is usually government agencies follow a transparent procedure that obeys the rules, regulations, and laws. Businesses, not so much. Businesses may just make Baby Oil out of Third World babies if they think it will improve their bottom line.

Because of that criminal tendency, we need government to watch them. Without that they would do very bad things, because the mission of any corporation is just to make money. They are the ultimate sociopaths. (I own shares of several, but we desperately need government to keep them honest.)

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#298502 - 02/01/17 01:22 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: Greger]
matthew Offline
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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Let's say a really, really rich guy buys out a really, really, REALLY BIG company... would his first move be to fire all the upper and middle management folks and replace them with inexperienced ideologues and sycophants? And to radically change the product lines to untested new items while cutting the budgets to all of the departments? And to ignore looming market forces that are threatening to swap the whole enterprise?

No.

Or....maybe. Take a look at what happened to Sears.

A lot of what happened to Sears will probably happen to Trump's administration.

It's just that it will be the USA which will be bankrupt (both morally and financially) rather than Sears.
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#298503 - 02/01/17 01:55 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: matthew]
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A lot of what happened to Sears will probably happen to Trump's administration.

Bingo!
Sears likely can't be saved. That's another difference between business and government. Businesses can cut their losses, file bankruptcy, and simply cease to exist. Another business will take up the slack and move into whatever markets are vacated. Government, by its very nature, must continue and evolve.
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#298524 - 02/02/17 05:55 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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Like I said before, Trump's favorite business moves are not paying for stuff and going into bankruptcy. He's going to be VERY frustrated when he finds out he can't do either. Those are pretty much all he's got, so running "The America Company" is going to be a horrible experience for him.

But it would be for anybody trying to run the country like a business: Because it's not a business.` You are doomed to spectacular failure if you don't understand that.

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#298530 - 02/02/17 10:48 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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I see a few more gray hairs since January 20th 2017. Isn't the presidency supposed to make the President old? I think the Trump Administration is making me old and it's only been 12 days! cry
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#298538 - 02/02/17 09:49 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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Trump gave a talk today at the annual Prayer Breakfast- for those closer to god- and told those assembled that he will move to get the laws changed that would then allow churches to maintain their tax exempt status while at the same time engaging in political activities. This would entail rescinding the Johnson Amendment that now prohibits them from engaging in political activities without losing that tax exempt status. What could be wrong with that? Hmm

He also managed this comedic line without a trace of irony: “freedom of religion is a sacred right, but it is under serious threat.”

Say what?
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#298540 - 02/03/17 12:21 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: Greger]
matthew Offline
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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A lot of what happened to Sears will probably happen to Trump's administration.

Bingo!
Sears likely can't be saved. That's another difference between business and government. Businesses can cut their losses, file bankruptcy, and simply cease to exist. Another business will take up the slack and move into whatever markets are vacated. Government, by its very nature, must continue and evolve.

The USA will not continue to evolve when the rest of the world throws off the incubus of the US dollar as the world currency and the US goes bankrupt! There will be a significant discontinuity between the present USA and whatever replaces it.

Big Petroleum is not fighting the truth of Global Heating just to protect their profits. They have important support from the hypermilitaristic US government because with the ending of fossil fuels, the US dollar as the oil dollar becomes irrelevant, and there goes the ability of the government to run perpetually in the red!
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#298541 - 02/03/17 12:27 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: Ken Condon]
rporter314 Offline
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what he was trying to say but can not get past his 4th grade thinking is, the Constitution keeps getting in the way of the 1st Amendment

figure it out
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#298547 - 02/03/17 01:37 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: rporter314]
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What do you make of Trump putting Iran on Double Secret Probation?
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#298550 - 02/03/17 10:00 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: Ken Condon]
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Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
What do you make of Trump putting Iran on Double Secret Probation?

So General Flynn comes out of nowhere, wasn't even scheduled to speak, simply shows up, issues his warning to Iran, and nobody knows exactly what was meant by it.

This is the kind of Executive Administrators we have these days. It's total idiocy and amateur hour.
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