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#299613 - 03/16/17 01:13 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: matthew]
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Originally Posted By: matthew
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I heard today that Trump went to Nashville and laid a wreath on the grave of the genocidal murderer and stealer of Indian lands, Andrew Jackson !!

It figures.
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Yes indeed, and right now he has a rally there chanting "lock her up" and "USA", while inciting the crowd of patriotic Amerkins to fury over the 9th Circuit court new ruling re Rump-immigration 2.0. Then there was a nice little discussion about how bad the 9th circuit track record was in general. Obviously the courts are wrong and must be discredited.

Jackson overruled the SCOTUS of the time to deport those pesky Native Americans Immigrant/Aliens to Oklahoma during prime travel months, winter and severe summer, as the off season rates were lower. We have already begun our own "Trail of Tears 2.0". I suspect that Seasonal Medicaid Holiday Camps will soon become established in International Falls Minn, for winter campers, and Fort Stinking Desert AZ for summer tenting pleasure, under the strict supervision of Field Marshall ARPpieo, recently pardoned by Trump and Promoted to Director of Eldercare and GreenSoylant distribution operations...
but I "digress" yet again into one of many "Modest Proposals'...

Back to Jackson, here is a cute little explanation, in Jacksons own words, explaining how excellent and wonderful it was going to be for the Indians, to finally be no longer be subject to "States Rights" I kid you not!

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Jackson's involvement in what became known as the Trail of Tears cannot be ignored. In a speech regarding Indian removal, Jackson said, "It will separate the Indians from immediate contact with settlements of whites; free them from the power of the States; enable them to pursue happiness in their own way and under their own rude institutions; will retard the progress of decay, which is lessening their numbers, and perhaps cause them gradually, under the protection of the Government and through the influence of good counsels, to cast off their savage habits and become an interesting, civilized, and Christian community.” According to Jackson, the move would be nothing but beneficial for all parties. His point of view garnered support from many Americans, many of whom would benefit economically from the removal.
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#299614 - 03/16/17 01:59 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: TatumAH]
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That Jackson, he was one helluva Real Estate Developer! Just think of all the towns, ranches, newspaper offices, etc. that became available once the Five Civilized Tribes were sent off to their new home.

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#299620 - 03/16/17 04:10 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
That Jackson, he was one helluva Real Estate Developer! Just think of all the towns, ranches, newspaper offices, etc. that became available once the Five Civilized Tribes were sent off to their new home.


Not to mention that those simple forgetful Indians abandoned even their gold!

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The culmination of tensions between the Cherokee and various states, including Georgia, led to the forced migration of Native Americans, later known as the Trail of Tears. President Andrew Jackson authorized the Indian Removal Act in 1830, which would allow a take over of the gold mining areas among other places. The Cherokee Nation turned to the federal court system to avoid being forced off their ancestral lands. The Supreme Court first ruled in favor of the State of Georgia in the 1831 case Cherokee Nation v. Georgia, but the following year, in Worcester v. Georgia reversed this decision to recognize the Cherokee as a sovereign nation. Jackson proceeded with removal of remaining Cherokee from the North Georgia gold fields.[5]

The Philadelphia Mint received over half a million dollars in gold from Georgia in 1832.[3]:28 The state of Georgia held the Gold Lottery of 1832 and awarded land, which had been owned by the Cherokee, to the winners in 40-acre (16 ha) tracts. The Philadelphia Mint received $1,098,900 in gold from Georgia between 1830 and 1837.[3]:80


From the wiki Georgia gold rush. Georgia gold rush

[url= Gold veinlets (they appear white) in a sample of gneiss from the Battle Branch Mine in Lumpkin County]Gold ore for Rock Hounds[/url]

[video:youtube] Gold veinlets (they appear white) in a sample of gneiss from the Battle Branch Mine in Lumpkin County[/video]



Curse these upload "helpers", cant seem to make them do what I want! If only there were... No better, wouldnt it be, OH NO NOT THE RECURRENT GNEISS EARWORM THAT PLAGUED FOR A WEEK IN THE TETONS! Taargt
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#299661 - 03/17/17 07:46 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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I see the crazy guys at Trumpland want to kill funding for Meals On Wheels because "it isn't effective". Of course, most of their labor is volunteers and their service DOES keep lots of the elderly out of expensive Medicaid-funded nursing care by living independently.

They really must be insane to take on AARP! Throwing the under 65 members under the bus with the AHCA wasn't enough, they need some way to screw the Medicare crowd too.

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#299662 - 03/17/17 08:40 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I see the crazy guys at Trumpland want to kill funding for Meals On Wheels because "it isn't effective". Of course, most of their labor is volunteers and their service DOES keep lots of the elderly out of expensive Medicaid-funded nursing care by living independently.

They really must be insane to take on AARP! Throwing the under 65 members under the bus with the AHCA wasn't enough, they need some way to screw the Medicare crowd too.

Those tax cuts for the 1% aren't gonna pay for themselves. Sucks to be old in this country under Trump and his death panels. coffee
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#299681 - 03/17/17 08:17 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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President Trump’s new budget would increase defense spending by $54 billion — while slashing funding for medical research, climate science, public housing, education, aid to the indigent, infrastructure, and many, many other things.

On Thursday morning, the White House’s budget director Mick Mulvaney explained that these changes were inspired by one, simple question: “Can we ask the taxpayer to pay for this?”

Here’s what he said:

“When you start looking at places that we reduce spending, one of the questions we asked was, can we really continue to ask a coal miner in West Virginia or a single mom in Detroit to pay for these programs? The answer was no,” Mulvaney told MSNBC’s Morning Joe. “We can ask them to pay for defense, and we will, but we can’t ask them to continue to pay for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.”
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“No, I don’t think so,” Mulvaney replied. “I think it’s probably one of the most compassionate things we can do.”

“To cut programs that help the elderly and kids?” Acosta asked, incredulously.

“You’re only focusing on half of the equation, right? You’re focusing on the recipients of the money. We’re trying to focus on both the recipients of the money and the folks who give us the money in the first place,” Mulvaney explained. “And I think it’s fairly compassionate to go to them and say, ‘Look, we’re not gonna ask you for your hard-earned money, anymore, single mother of two in Detroit … unless we can guarantee to you that that money is actually being used in a proper function.’”


Using taxes in a proper function??? If you want peace, you spend more on the military, and gut the State dept? It is extremely dangerous to send a message to the world that America wants more wars, and dont try to talk to us about any alternative solutions, we aint listening!

It is still OK to ask that single mother of two in Detroit for her hard-earned money, because we can assure her that it will be used in a proper function, like another f-35 poondongal!



Military Admits Billion-Dollar War T...tal failures.

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Military Admits Billion-Dollar War Toy F-35 Is F**ked
Officials are finally admitting the F-35 fighter has turned into a nightmare—but it’s too late to stop the $400 billion program now.


Way back in the early 2000s, the U.S. military had a dream. To develop a new “universal” jet fighter that could do, well, pretty much everything that the military asks its different fighters to do.

But the dream of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter turned into a nightmare. The program is six years behind schedule and tens of billions of dollars over budget. And now, 16 years after the JSF prototypes took off for their first flights, top officials are finally owning up to the trauma the $400 billion fighter program has inflicted on America’s finances and war readiness.

In a remarkable period, beginning in February and lasting several weeks, senior officers and high-ranking bureaucrats finally publicly copped to the warplane program’s fundamental failures.




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#299683 - 03/17/17 08:28 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: TatumAH]
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They're still going to take that coal miner's and the single mother's money. It's just that now their children will go hungry at school because neither one will have the money to buy food to send in a lunch bag.
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#299688 - 03/17/17 09:00 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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And the single mom and the coal miner probably would pay zero or very little in taxes. Certainly not more than they would get in benefits.

They used the wrong people as examples. They should have said: "We are asking lawyers and business owners ..."

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#299746 - 03/19/17 02:22 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Huck says ignore SCROTUS like Andrew Jackson did

This is just the kind of advice that we hope no staffer puts into Trumps action item memo da jour. Once he sees it he may just figure to go for Contempt of Court from the 9th circuit. Why bother waiting to show contempt for the "Supremes"? After all William Johnson, chairman of the white nationalist American Freedom Party, reminds us that Trump has the Army and guns. It would be a shame not to use them locally.

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After a federal judge on Wednesday ordered a hold on Trump’s revised travel ban, Huckabee urged the President to ignore the ruling, citing Andrew Jackson’s refusal to enforce an 1832 Supreme Court decision affirming the sovereignty of the Cherokee Nation. Jackson rejected the decision in Worcester v. Georgia, leading to the forcible expulsion of some 15,000 Cherokee from Georgia along the Trail of Tears. Some 4,000 died on that journey.
William Johnson, chairman of the white nationalist American Freedom Party, told TPM last year that Trump may need to override the judicial and legislative branches to deport millions of undocumented immigrants.

“You could have a Trump do what Andrew Jackson did when he defied the U.S. Supreme Court and had the Trail of Tears,” Johnson said at the 2016 American Renaissance conference, a gathering of white nationalists, pointing out that the president “controls the armies.”



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President Donald Trump may want to avoid taking legal advice from former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee.

After a federal judge on Wednesday ordered a hold on Trump’s revised travel ban, Huckabee urged the President to ignore the ruling, citing Andrew Jackson’s refusal to enforce an 1832 Supreme Court decision affirming the sovereignty of the Cherokee Nation. Jackson rejected the decision in Worcester v. Georgia, leading to the forcible expulsion of some 15,000 Cherokee from Georgia along the Trail of Tears. Some 4,000 died on that journey.

According to Huckabee, this is a solid historical precedent.

“Hoping @POTUS tells Hawaii judge what Andrew Jackson told overreaching court,” Huckabee wrote on Twitter. “I’ll ignore it and let the court enforce their order.”

Hoping @POTUS tells Hawaii judge what Andrew Jackson told overreaching court-"I'll ignore it and let the court enforce their order."

— Gov. Mike Huckabee (@GovMikeHuckabee) March 15, 2017

That is a misquotation of a remark, believed to be apocryphal, that Jackson made about Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall’s ruling in Worcester v. Georgia: "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it."

Other stalwart Trump supporters have held up Jackson as an example for the President to follow.

William Johnson, chairman of the white nationalist American Freedom Party, told TPM last year that Trump may need to override the judicial and legislative branches to deport millions of undocumented immigrants.

“You could have a Trump do what Andrew Jackson did when he defied the U.S. Supreme Court and had the Trail of Tears,” Johnson said at the 2016 American Renaissance conference, a gathering of white nationalists, pointing out that the president “controls the armies.”

Trump doesn’t appear to be planning on such drastic steps at the moment. During a Wednesday speech in Tennessee, he said he intended to take the travel ban case “as far as it needs to go,” on up to the Supreme Court.

On a surface level, though, Trump says he models himself after Old Hickory, whose portrait he’s granted a prime spot in the Oval Office. During a visit Wednesday to the Hermitage, Jackson’s home in Nashville, Trump praised his distant predecessor as “inspirational” and a “beloved president.”


Edited by TatumAH (03/19/17 02:34 AM)
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#299750 - 03/19/17 09:22 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: TatumAH]
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Originally Posted By: TatumAH
...Huckabee urged the President to ignore the ruling, citing Andrew Jackson’s refusal to enforce an 1832 Supreme Court decision affirming the sovereignty of the Cherokee Nation...

Huckelbee is trying to speed up the end times thingy. It'll just pit Trump fanatics and their ar-15s agains the military who will not listen to a liar and failed businessman.
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