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#299880 - 03/22/17 10:15 PM Boston Schools Change Maps to “De-colonize” History
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Boston Schools Change Maps to “De-colonize” History

http://www.dennisprager.com/boston-schools-change-maps-to-de-colonize-history/

Dennis Prager
The Dennis Prager Show
March 22, 2017

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We’re all for accuracy. But that’s not why this change is being made. It’s being made for political purposes. Because Africa looks bigger on the new map that’s going to change the lives of black and other minority students? Really? No, it’s really about showing minority students how victimized they have been.

Yes, it's important for maps to be accurate for the sake of accuracy. But apparently these folks are concerned about raising the self-esteem of certain students. This is nuts.

You really need to read the articles in the embedded bolded links.

Yeah, Rick. I know. LOL

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#299890 - 03/23/17 04:04 AM Re: Boston Schools Change Maps to “De-colonize” History [Re: Golem]
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Africa is over three times the size of the US (counting Alaska and Hawaii). The numbers don't lie and are not affected by the distortions introduced by flat maps of a nearly spherical planet.

There is not, nor can be an "accurate" flat map.

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#299893 - 03/23/17 04:39 AM Re: Boston Schools Change Maps to “De-colonize” History [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all


There is not, nor can be an "accurate" flat map.


Likewise with flat horns!
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#299894 - 03/23/17 06:22 AM Re: Boston Schools Change Maps to “De-colonize” History [Re: Golem]
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That may be art, but it pisses me off: Think of all the poor kids who could have used those instruments.

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#299895 - 03/23/17 06:27 AM Re: Boston Schools Change Maps to “De-colonize” History [Re: Golem]
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Not surprisingly, Prager's "take" on why the change was made is inaccurate, political, and distorted. Kind of like the maps being replaced.
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#299897 - 03/23/17 07:12 AM Re: Boston Schools Change Maps to “De-colonize” History [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
That may be art, but it pisses me off: Think of all the poor kids who could have used those instruments.


Horns of all kinds, but particulaly entry level school instruments, wear out over time, and can cost much more to repair/restore than new entry models. Professional grade instruments are often worth repairing. Playing and trying to learn on a worn out horn can be very demoralizing, and kids loose interest when they cant make them sound good.

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#299898 - 03/23/17 08:24 AM Re: Boston Schools Change Maps to “De-colonize” History [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Not surprisingly, Prager's "take" on why the change was made is inaccurate, political, and distorted. Kind of like the maps being replaced.

Dennis Prager is a dick. gobsmacked

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The Gall-Peters projection, which shows land masses in their correct proportions by area, puts the relative sizes of Africa and North America in perspective.

I don't have a problem with that. Hmm
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#299901 - 03/23/17 11:13 AM Re: Boston Schools Change Maps to “De-colonize” History [Re: Golem]
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If you read the articles, I support the effort. Yes, there is an element of "correcting the record" involved, but isn't the goal of education to be accurate? There is certainly an element of cultural bias involved in standard texts and other materials. I remember that plate tectonics was a new theory in geography when I was in school, little was really known about dinosaurs, and "manifest destiny" was taught with very little treatment of it's consequences. Columbus discovered America, remember and Lief Ericsson only got to Greenland (which was this huge island of the coast, bigger than Texas).
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#299902 - 03/23/17 02:03 PM Re: Boston Schools Change Maps to “De-colonize” History [Re: Golem]
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As a kid I thought the Mercator projection was the only way to view the world. As I grew older I realized it may have had some political overtones by disproportionally representing land masses. Now that I am old, white, nationalist and a firm Trump supporter, I believe the US should be represented with the largest land mass, with plenty of God lighting on Mr Trump, and supporting the rest of the peoples dragging down America and should be deported to Mars.

I call it the Trump projection of his greatness.
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#299904 - 03/23/17 02:38 PM Re: Boston Schools Change Maps to “De-colonize” History [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Yes, there is an element of "correcting the record" involved, but isn't the goal of education to be accurate? There is certainly an element of cultural bias involved in standard texts and other materials.


Accurate, yes. Education contains elements of cultural bias, sure does. I remember my 8th grade teacher, Sister Jane Mariem saying several times that all education is culturally biased (the winner writes the history type of thing).

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
I remember that plate tectonics was a new theory in geography when I was in school, little was really known about dinosaurs, and "manifest destiny" was taught with very little treatment of it's consequences. Columbus discovered America, remember and Lief Ericsson only got to Greenland (which was this huge island of the coast, bigger than Texas).


As do I
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