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#300471 - 04/06/17 07:35 PM Hanford Revisited
jgw Offline
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Registered: 05/22/06
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Loc: Port Angeles, WA
In 2016 I had a Hanford topic. I thought I would revisit this one. The problem is that gov has spent, literally, over a billion dollars and the problems of Hanford are actually worse than when they started. I addition to that people who work there have been getting poisoned and neither the DOE, or the contractor, will take care of these people. Channel 5, in Seattle regularly reports on this one.
http://www.king5.com/about-us/team-bios/susannah-frame/94586869

in 2015 the bbc had an article on Hanford which, pretty much, covers it pretty well at:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26658719

If you google: "hanford cleanup" you can find a LOT more stuff.

The problem is that this has been going on for well over 30 years and the problem just keeps getting worse. Eventually we will lose the entire columbia basin to radioactivity and the columbia river itself is also at risk. I simply cannot believe that OUR government does not have the capacity, or the will, to clean this mess up before catastrophe set sin.

Since Trump has decided that all this cleanup stuff is just a waste of time one can only wonder what will happen next. I would think, given his penchant for blaming history for bad things, perhaps he will point to this one as one only he can get fixed (one can still hope?). One thing is sure - our politics, and 30 years of incompetence, and unwillingness to fix a damned thing, irregardless of party, continues to come home to roost.

Washington state has sued the DEA two times about the problem. They won both cases. Then did absolutely nothing.

On a brighter side I am told that Hanford now has insects, mice, and rats that glow in the dark - thereby providing entertainment to those who live there.

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#300474 - 04/06/17 08:37 PM Re: Hanford Revisited [Re: jgw]
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obviously it is not in the interest of business to cleanup anything ... that costs money which reduces the bottom line, therefore it should be subordinate to profits

it is easy to argue for the free market
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#300484 - 04/07/17 01:05 AM Re: Hanford Revisited [Re: jgw]
pondering_it_all Offline
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Registered: 02/27/06
Posts: 6600
Loc: North San Diego County
Hanford was not created by business, it is all on the federal government. They produced the material for the first atomic bombs and it has all been going downhill since the 1940's.

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#300491 - 04/07/17 03:18 AM Re: Hanford Revisited [Re: jgw]
Ken Condon Offline
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Registered: 06/14/07
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OK—so this is anecdotal but:

A neighbor, friend, and sometime business partner of mine (chemical engineer by training) worked at Hanford--twice!--on the cleanup effort. The first time for several years in the early 1990’s and the second time from 2009 until 2014. He hated working there but it paid well and was within his educational wheelhouse. He told me several horror stories about the operation. Not so much from a safety aspect but rather more of the autopilot drone like existence of working there.

This man is not a righty by any means but more a pragmatic type. In a nutshell he told me that the operation should be put in the hands of private parties with specific outcomes within specific time frames spelled out. In his opinion that would be the only way to get the site cleaned up in a reasonable length of time and remain within specific cost structures. Otherwise the operation will continue unabated— essentially forever. To him the operation seems to be a perpetual make work enterprise. There is little coordination between the various groups who are operating there and there is no real goal, timeline, or outcome delineated. His stories go on and on and since I am a second party in all of this what I have written is all I can add to the story at this time.

Since “work” is happening there towards a worthy goal most agree that there is little negative feedback politically. I mean—who in their right minds is against cleaning up a radioactively polluted area next to a major river? And now within proximity to population centers. That is a major part of the problem.
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#300504 - 04/07/17 05:58 AM Re: Hanford Revisited [Re: jgw]
pondering_it_all Offline
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Registered: 02/27/06
Posts: 6600
Loc: North San Diego County
I think the real problem is that the feds have to bite the bullet and really clean it up. That means spending a huge amount of money, and moving a huge amount of contaminated soil and rock to someplace safer. Not safe, because no place can really be safe for several million years, but safer than right next to a major river.

They have always done partial fixes that amount to putting a fresh layer of kitty litter on top of a very dirty catbox. And every year the catbox gets bigger because the radioactive waste spreads. But of course, nobody even wants to put the radioactive waste from nuclear plants in their state, and that comes in nice stainless steel drums. Hanford is just dirt and rock and water, hot enough to give everybody in the NorthWest cancer.

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