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#300604 - 04/11/17 12:43 PM Breaking the deal with the Devil
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No more devil's bargains
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Forty years ago, the rulers of the West made not one, but several Devil’s bargains. Despite the suspicious smell of sulfur in the air, they thought they would get away with them.

1) The oil-to-arms deal. In the 1970s, the United States’ domestic oil extraction started declining — a source of energy that had given it global powers. It needed to find a new, stable source of cheap oil, and fast. What followed was a two-pronged strategy: to initiate a series of interventions to destabilize oil-producing democracies, and to ally with dictatorships and guarantee a monopoly over their oil exports. In return, Western nations would flood these dictatorships with cheap weapons.

2)The credit-for-resources deal. Just when Western countries stopped being able to rely on their colonies to repay their debts, they made a deal with the banks: You can create as much money as you want, and we’ll make sure that other countries pay back their debts. They offered struggling nations — many of whom were led by authoritarian regimes — low-interest loans to build their economies and send all their resources to the West. The West became the global debt collector, working for the banks. In return, Western corporations got first access to the world’s natural resources, at bargain basement prices.

3)Cheap goods for cheap labor. Then there was a third bargain, this time with Western consumers. Rising living expectations, better rights for workers and stronger welfare systems meant that Westerners no longer wanted to deal with the side effects of their wealth. When possible, low-skilled labor and environmental pollution were exported. Thankless work like cleaning, childcare and fruit-picking was imported. This way, Western governments could satiate their middle class with high living standards, with none of the bad stuff.
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#300681 - 04/14/17 06:09 AM Re: Breaking the deal with the Devil [Re: logtroll]
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#300683 - 04/14/17 02:45 PM Re: Breaking the deal with the Devil [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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There is much about Marxism and Leninism that I disagree with, but Marx, and more specifically, Lenin, identified the friction that drove the despair of the world population.
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Lenin turned Marx on his head by placing politics over economics when he argued that Russia had gone through its capitalist stage of history and was ready for a second, socialist revolution.

Here we focus on Lenin's ideas about imperialism more than on his revolutionary strategies. Lenin developed a perspective on IPE that took Marx's class struggle, based on the mode of production, and used it to explain capitalism's international effects as transmitted through the production and finance structures of rich industrial countries to the poorer developing regions of the world. Lenin's famous summary of his views is Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism (1917).

Marx said that capitalism, driven by its three laws, would come to revolutionary crisis and suffer internal class revolt, paving the way for the transition to socialism. Lenin observed that capitalist nations had avoided this crisis by expanding the pool of workers they exploited. Capitalism, he argued, "had escaped its three laws of motion through overseas imperialism. The acquisition of colonies had enabled the capitalist economies to dispose of their unconsumed goods, to acquire cheap resources, and to vent their surplus capital."

In short, Lenin added to Marx what Robert Gilpin has called a "fourth law" of capitalism, which we might call the law of capitalist imperialism: "As capitalist economies mature, as capital accumulates, and as profit rates fall, the capitalist economies are compelled to seize colonies and create dependencies to serve as markets, investment outlets, and sources of food and raw materials. In competition with one another, they divide up the colonial world in accordance with their relative strengths."
PBS: Commanding Heights (emphases added).

The dynamic Lenin identified is still at work today, as can be seen in the strains of globalism, the international trade treaties and organizations, environmental degradation on an incalculable scale, massive international displacement of populations, and the rise of international terrorist organizations. I'm not a wild-eyed revolutionary or anarchist, but I do have eyes and a brain. If we don't get a handle on this, something is gonna break - the world around us.
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#300684 - 04/14/17 04:54 PM Re: Breaking the deal with the Devil [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
The dynamic Lenin identified is still at work today, as can be seen in the strains of globalism, the international trade treaties and organizations, environmental degradation on an incalculable scale, massive international displacement of populations, and the rise of international terrorist organizations. I'm not a wild-eyed revolutionary or anarchist, but I do have eyes and a brain. If we don't get a handle on this, something is gonna break - the world around us.


What needs to be fixed? The Capitalists, Industrialist, the Free Market proponents, what ever you want to call them. they need to be fixed. Their driving force make money (nothing wrong with this) at the expense of every one else and every thing else. Or put another way, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.


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#301418 - 05/30/17 12:03 PM Re: Breaking the deal with the Devil [Re: logtroll]
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Could it be that corporatism/capitalism will lead to a form of communism?

The looming change in our transportation model

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But car ownership seems to be becoming more and more obsolete. Sooner or later, people will have to give away their cars, closing a peculiar and unusual cycle in the history of humankind (BTW, this is the most subversive post I ever published, I think)
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#301423 - 05/30/17 05:20 PM Re: Breaking the deal with the Devil [Re: logtroll]
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The US is not all New York City. Even LA is not New York City: It is essentially a single story town. Sure there are some tall buildings, but the average height of buildings in the greater LA area is probably 1.1 stories. And most of the tenth of a story is because of all the two story suburban houses.

The US has VAST areas with very little population. This is like comparing Moscow to Siberia. We will still need to get around out in the hinterlands, and most of the country is hinterlands. I can see driverless cars for single-use rent in the cities: It makes economic sense like cabs in New York, which they perfectly replace. But for 99% of the rest of the country's area, good luck waiting for one to show up.

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#301434 - 05/31/17 03:01 AM Re: Breaking the deal with the Devil [Re: logtroll]
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Could it be that corporatism/capitalism will lead to a form of communism?

I'm thinking it will more likely lead to a benign form of Socialism. The Berniecrats didn't win this time around but it's just a matter of time.
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#301455 - 06/01/17 10:44 PM Re: Breaking the deal with the Devil [Re: logtroll]
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War has replaced colonies for sopping up surplus production, creating jobs, and drinking the life blood of the serfs --- both at home and abroad.
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