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#300743 - 04/18/17 01:41 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
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#300744 - 04/18/17 01:47 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
as an example

While eating a beautiful chocolate cake, I just had to bomb Syria, and then leaned over to Chinese President and told him how wonderful it was to have launch capabilities.

He has the launch codes.


It is not unlikely that he mixed up the launch codes with the lunch codes and the mother of all cakes was served. Not to worry he told the Chinese President, I am a big picture guy not a detail oriented type!

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#300745 - 04/18/17 02:25 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: TatumAH]
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Or as has been said “My girlfriend can’t make my chocolate cake, but she sure can make my banana cream.”
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#300784 - 04/19/17 06:48 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: Ken Condon]
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#300812 - 04/20/17 10:22 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
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did anyone actually believe Mr Trump and AG Sessions?
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#300814 - 04/20/17 10:55 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: rporter314]
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#300817 - 04/21/17 12:31 AM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: Greger]
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#300818 - 04/21/17 01:41 AM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: Greger]
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"Granny" Sessions is going to have an interesting time coming up against the multi-billion dollar legal and medical marijuana industry.

The states are going to scream as soon as the feds raid some big tax-paying business.

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#300825 - 04/21/17 05:06 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
"Granny" Sessions is going to have an interesting time coming up against the multi-billion dollar legal and medical marijuana industry.

The states are going to scream as soon as the feds raid some big tax-paying business.


This study, from alt-science (American College of Cardiology) in presentation form, not yet actually thoroughly subjected to the complete editorial process, may help Granny Sessions in his mission to keep America straight. He however proves that you can be a teattotaller and drug free, and still usually confused about most everything, lately the law in general, and Hawaii specifically. Could he be worse stoned?

Tat

Marijuana use associated with increased risk of stroke, heart failure
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Coming at a time when marijuana, medically known as cannabis, is on track to become legal for medical or recreational use in more than half of U.S. states, this study sheds new light on how the drug affects cardiovascular health. While previous marijuana research has focused mostly on pulmonary and psychiatric complications, the new study is one of only a handful to investigate cardiovascular outcomes.

"Like all other drugs, whether they're prescribed or not prescribed, we want to know the effects and side effects of this drug," said Aditi Kalla, MD, Cardiology Fellow at the Einstein Medical Center in Philadelphia and the study's lead author. "It's important for physicians to know these effects so we can better educate patients, such as those who are inquiring about the safety of cannabis or even asking for a prescription for cannabis."

The study drew data from the Nationwide Inpatient Sample, which includes the health records of patients admitted at more than 1,000 hospitals comprising about 20 percent of U.S. medical centers. Researchers extracted records from young and middle-aged patients -- age 18-55 years -- who were discharged from hospitals in 2009 and 2010, when marijuana use was illegal in most states.

Marijuana use was diagnosed in about 1.5 percent (316,000) of more than 20 million health records included in the analysis. Comparing cardiovascular disease rates in these patients to disease rates in patients not reporting marijuana use, researchers found marijuana use was associated with a significantly increased risk for stroke, heart failure, coronary artery disease and sudden cardiac death.
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#300829 - 04/21/17 07:18 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: TatumAH]
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was associated with


Major problem with drawing the conclusion that marijuana use caused the increased risk, which of course the study did not do. It is just as likely that the people were using pot to self-medicate because they felt sick! So it's just as valid to say that increased risk for stroke, heart failure, coronary artery disease and sudden cardiac death cause medical marijuana use.

More and more sick people are using it: It is only normal that some of those sick people get sicker and die. Most marijuana use only alleviates symptoms. It does not cure the underlying problem.

Another problem: The study subjects "were discharged from hospitals in 2009 and 2010, when marijuana use was illegal in most states." That means they included all the people who were using illegal marijuana and who knows what other drugs. Several other illegal drugs are known to cause heart problems like amphetamine, MDMA, and injecting anything cut with insoluble substances.

I think they need to design a better study now, which will be much easier with legal recreational use in some states. They can get a large sample of users who are healthy and don't use other drugs and use a similar sample of health non-users as the control.

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