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#301525 - 06/05/17 05:00 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I was reading a totally unrelated article today, when I came across this little anecdote:
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“As a rule, strong feelings about issues do not emerge from deep understanding,” Sloman and Fernbach write. And here our dependence on other minds reinforces the problem. If your position on, say, the Affordable Care Act is baseless and I rely on it, then my opinion is also baseless. When I talk to Tom and he decides he agrees with me, his opinion is also baseless, but now that the three of us concur we feel that much more smug about our views. If we all now dismiss as unconvincing any information that contradicts our opinion, you get, well, the Trump Administration.
Why Facts Don't Change Our Minds - the New Yorker.
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#301554 - 06/07/17 05:34 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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What great news do we plebes have of our awesome and wonderful BLOATUS...erm, POTUS today? Hmm

How Donald Trump Stuck His Grubby Stubby Little Fingers Into Kids' Cancer-Charity Pie
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#301558 - 06/07/17 10:13 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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I liked the part about him blowing his lid when he found out his golf course was treating the charity well, charitably. I guess missing an opportunity to screw somebody, get a tax deduction, and launder some money is sinful.

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#301573 - 06/08/17 11:14 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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I am a bit amused by the claim Sen Risch made that Mr Trump did not order xDir Comey to end investigation, because Mr Trump did not use the words "I order you ...".

If Mr Trump wanted to order someone to do something he could just issue a memo. If he however wanted a favor from xDir Comey, he would have hoped xDir Commey could end the investigation.

Can the President ask a favor without it being an order?
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#301574 - 06/09/17 02:20 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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Yes he can, but since he fired Comey after Comey failed to break the law at his request I guess it was an order after all!

Once again, the cover-up is far worse than the original crime. If he hadn't fired Comey, then it would have just been "a favor". Trump made it an impeachable High Crime, but that's not too surprising. The list is as long as your arm and it's all stupid decisions by Trump. There's a reason why Presidents often have legal training.

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#301627 - 06/12/17 03:38 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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#301633 - 06/12/17 12:18 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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I suspect when a President wants something he may use a variety of words which ultimately mean, get it done.

It crossed my mind (as little as it is) over the weekend that there may be a very real prospect which no one wants to mention. If the Presidents fires Mueller what is to keep the President from following any laws? What if the House asked the President to step down and he said GFY? Would the police arrest the President? What if the military would not comply? Mr Trump already believes he is above the law. Republicans have all supported him (even if weakly). I can see a real Constitutional crisis based on historical facts regarding this president.

With half (approximating loosely) the country supporting the president, I can easily see Mr Trump taking the steps to move quickly to dictatorship and there not be any easy way of opposing him.

Like I said just some thoughts as they crossed my wee small brain.
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#301636 - 06/12/17 04:44 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: rporter314]
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Like I said just some thoughts as they crossed my wee small brain.

All very valid points.
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#301638 - 06/12/17 05:43 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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No, because all military, FBI, and Secret Service swear to defend the Constitution. That is their primary loyalty and they have very little support for the idea of a dictatorship. Congress has to impeach him or remove him, and then essentially everyone in all such services will see Pence as President.

Trump made a huge mistake in firing Comey. He was well liked and most FBI agents are more loyal to him than to Trump. FBI agents are highly educated and highly professional. They know Trump is a moron unworthy of their respect. If they had a legal reason to put him on the helicopter to San Clemente, they would.

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#301641 - 06/12/17 06:30 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pondering_it_all]
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all military, FBI, and Secret Service swear to defend the Constitution

correct but here is the kicker .... Mr Trump demands personal loyalty from people who serve him

now consider, did the generals serving in his administration pledge personal loyalty to Mr Trump as well as take an oath to uphold the Constitution. Which has greater currency with the president? Would those generals come to their senses and support the Constitution? Remember Gen Kelley has probably drunk the krazy koolaid as he is defending Mr Trump for whatever position.

Do these generals have enough loyalty among the military? Would you take a chance the military which overwhelmingly supports Mr Trumps would not follow illegal orders?

Just saying, the situation is closer than at any time in history for a president to take advantage of his power because his supporters are personally loyal to him and not the Constitution.
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