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#301642 - 06/12/17 07:20 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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Re: military loyalty. There are commanders that engender great respect and loyalty (and, of course, those who don't). By and large, though, they just "pass through" your career. It's planned that way. It keeps a commander from gathering too many followers. Trump has no military experience (and it shows). He has no loyalty to subordinates. I wouldn't expect many to support him.
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#301643 - 06/12/17 10:14 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: NW Ponderer]
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In a modern world where morality has lost its value, in a world where POTUS makes claims to beliefs in illegal acts, and numerous military personal as well as law enforcement entities agree with him, it is incumbent on civilians to remain vigilant.

Historically the military has remained aloof to political changes, but in a highly polarized arena, in a world fraught with dangers, in a world where the POTUS is incompetent, might some senior officers in collusion with cabinet level generals decide a streamlined unity executive branch would be far more effective than a democracy? Would their personal loyalty transcend their oath to the Constitution? I don't know.
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#301644 - 06/13/17 03:00 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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Rumorhazzit that Trump is going to fire Mueller. I guess Trump thinks that he can fire his way to "innocence." Hmm

Representative Adam Schiff (D-CA) who sits on the House Intelligence Committee Tweeted out that if Trump fires Mueller, the House will rehire him to complete the investigation and for Trump not to waste anyone's time.

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#301671 - 06/14/17 02:00 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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What in the world would lead Representative Shiff (D-CA) to believe that the Real Americans controlling (thank the Almighty!) all three branches of government (and especially the House of Representatives) would ever even dream of doing such a thing as hiring Mueller to investigate President Donald J. Trump (R)?
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#301673 - 06/14/17 08:40 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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Jeff Sessions to Kamala Harris: "You're making me nervous."

Awwww...big, strong, black woman making the poor little old cuck nervous. Kamala Harris should have gotten up and bitch-slapped Jeff Session for being a whiny old man.
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#301695 - 06/14/17 08:57 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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Why do we have an AG who can't remember anything? Is he suffering from dementia?

Follow this --> He was not briefed in any way about the Russia Investigation --> He was asked if every main campaign player had contact with Russia and he answered he did not know --> he then proudly stated he KNEW no one colluded with the Russians

How could he KNOW no one colluded if he didn't know if anyone had contact?

I would have hoped an AG could think logically but I may be wrong
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#301699 - 06/15/17 01:22 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: rporter314]
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I would have hoped an AG could think logically but I may be wrong


Normally, yes. But this isn't your run of the mill AG. This is a Trump pick. You know, the worst possible. incompetent, racist, cracker ahole. And now we find out he is senile on top of all that. I guess he told them at his confirmation that he wasn't racist because he forgot he hates Blacks and Jews.

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#301711 - 06/15/17 04:12 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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Since when is hating blacks and Jews (and gays) not a qualification?

If Mueller was not investigating Sessions before this, he should be now.
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#301713 - 06/15/17 04:43 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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And what's with this new idea of not answering questions when under oath before a Congressional hearing "because I don't wanna"? Sack up, guys! You have the power to make them answer, with Contempt of Congress charges and jail. It's pretty damned obvious this can only work if the majority Party is in on it, and doesn't want to hear the answer.

We should charge the heads of those committees with Obstruction of Justice as well, because that's exactly what they are doing. Watergate sent about 200 people to jail before it was over. Only a few were part of the original crime. Everybody else was involved in the cover-up.

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#301744 - 06/18/17 02:00 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Comparing presidential administrations by arrests and convictions: A warning for Trump appointees.

What is startling is the consistency. Over 50 years: Republicans, 55 convictions; Dems, 1. Note, too, that the Republican number was sharply reduced, by pardons (Ford, Bush I&II), clemency (Bush I), and overturned convictions (Reagan).
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