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#301330 - 05/23/17 03:13 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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I think I met Anonymous in my youth. A fetching fellow, full of fire. He could tell stories for hours as his eyes twinkled impishly. I thought at the time, they were too outlandish to be true but as I aged I learned many of his stories were true. How was I to know? I doubt seriously he is still alive, unless one of his descendants has taken his mantle and continues to delight us with more outlandish stories.
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#301798 - 06/20/17 06:02 PM David Brooks: Let’s Not Get Carried Away [Re: pdx rick]
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Let’s Not Get Carried Away

David Brooks
The New York Times
June 20, 2017

Quote:
I was the op-ed editor at The Wall Street Journal at the peak of the Whitewater scandal. We ran a series of investigative pieces “raising serious questions” (as we say in the scandal business) about the nefarious things the Clintons were thought to have done back in Arkansas...

In retrospect Whitewater seems overblown. And yet it has to be confessed that, at least so far, the Whitewater scandal was far more substantive than the Russia-collusion scandal now gripping Washington.

There may be a giant revelation still to come. But as the Trump-Russia story has evolved, it is striking how little evidence there is that any underlying crime occurred — that there was any actual collusion between the Donald Trump campaign and the Russians. Everything seems to be leaking out of this administration, but so far the leaks about actual collusion are meager...

Things are so bad that I’m going to have to give Trump the last word. On June 15 he tweeted, “They made up a phony collusion with the Russians story, found zero proof, so now they go for obstruction of justice on the phony story.” Unless there is some new revelation, that may turn out to be pretty accurate commentary.

Full article

Brooks is not a Trump fan.

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#301799 - 06/20/17 08:24 PM Re: David Brooks: Let’s Not Get Carried Away [Re: pdx rick]
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Here is the fundamental problem with his analysis. He completely overlooks the obvious, the leaks.

What does that mean you ask? The leaks have only been about the events and not the substance. Thus we have facts such as Manafort having close ties to Yanukovych who had close ties to Putin, but we have no idea what their relationship entailed, because the leakers do not have that information. What of Kushner's meeting setup by Kislyak with Gorkov, both of whom are close associates of Putin. We have no substance of this meeting, only the leak. Or what of Erik Prince's secret Seychelles meeting with Russians close to Putin allegedly held to make back channel connections to Russia. We have the leak but not the substance. Should I continue?

The point is there are a bevy of connections with Russia none of which has the appearance of propriety ... back channels with sanctioned Russian bankers and assorted Russians known to be associates of Putin, talk of sanction relief outside the confines of Congress, not to mention one campaign associate and advisor who had contacts with Guccifer and Assange, both know to be implicated in the DNC hacking.

Mr Brooks has overlooked the lack of substance because the leakers do not know the substance. There are far too many questions for anyone to simply say there is nothing to report.
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#301804 - 06/21/17 03:51 AM Re: David Brooks: Let’s Not Get Carried Away [Re: pdx rick]
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I would say, simply, "it's too early for a full report.
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#301805 - 06/21/17 09:00 AM Re: David Brooks: Let’s Not Get Carried Away [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
I would say, simply, "it's too early for a full report.

Exactly. Plus Mueller has 13 very seasoned special prosecutors working for him on this project including those specializing in internet espionage and money laundering.

Speaking of money laundering - just out today...

Trump, Russia and a Shadowy Business Partnership

Enjoy! laugh

ps. I wrote about Felix Sater/Satter last April here on RR.
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#301812 - 06/21/17 11:03 PM Re: David Brooks: Let’s Not Get Carried Away [Re: pdx rick]
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I'm encouraged that Mueller has hired such competent staff. Even if he were fired, the investigation would go on.
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#301824 - 06/22/17 01:36 PM Re: David Brooks: Let’s Not Get Carried Away [Re: pdx rick]
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My predictions

Gen Flynn will be charged
Manafort did nothing illegal
Page & Stone are too delusional and flaky to prosecute
Kushner too ignorant to be charged
Mr Trump will escape (even the possible criminal ties to Russian mobsters will not stick)

and most importantly Republicans will not impeach a tool no matter what he has done
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#301825 - 06/22/17 03:20 PM Re: David Brooks: Let’s Not Get Carried Away [Re: rporter314]
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Fair predictions...I'd add to it that Flynn will be pardoned by Trump.
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#301826 - 06/22/17 05:02 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
Mr Trump will escape (even the possible criminal ties to Russian mobsters will not stick)


I too suspect that Trump will follow Steven Seagal.
Because, like Seagal, Trump may feel that Putin is “the greatest world leader alive today”.





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#301837 - 06/22/17 10:38 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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I'd modify the predictions.... Jared and Trump are both vulnerable to financial crimes prosecutions unrelated to Russia. I submit that THAT is why Trump is in such a panic. Manafort and Flynn have clearly both violated lobbyist registration requirements. I don't think Trump will pardon either of them, because it will be too late.
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