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#302195 - 07/11/17 09:36 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Unless he is stopped, Pronto, he will be giving the keys to the kingdom to his bromance.

Interesting that you write that NW_P. I'd like to direct you to this Tweet by Donald J Trump regarding Ivanka Trump taking a seat at the G20 the morning of July 10th 2017:



The matter that I would like to focus on in the Tweet is the line:

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"...as her mother gave the country away..."


WTF?!? Why would he write that????

DJT wrote that, because as he has done all along - he accuses others of the very thing which he, himself, is doing at the time. Time after time, after time, DJT has done this - during the campaign and as President!!! Hmm
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#302202 - 07/11/17 10:22 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Even Miss Drudge is shaking her head:

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#302227 - 07/11/17 10:41 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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http://www.alternet.org/election-2016...rime-bosses

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Among the powerful facts that DNI missed were a series of very deep studies published in the [Financial Times] that examined the structure and history of several major Trump real estate projects from the last decadeóthe period after his seventh bankruptcy and the cancellation of all his bank lines of credit. ...

The money to build these projects flowed almost entirely from Russian sources. In other words, after his business crashed, Trump was floated and made to appear to operate a successful business enterprise through the infusion of hundreds in millions of cash from dark Russian sources....

The second Financial Times article puts Trump at the middle of a money laundering scheme, in which his real estate deals were used to hide not just an infusion of capital from Russia and former Soviet states, but to launder hundreds of millions looted by oligarchs. All Trump had to do was close his eyes to the source of the money, and suddenly empty apartments were going for top dollar.

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#302234 - 07/12/17 04:14 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Matthew, I think you have identified the nub of the mystery. The corruption of the Trump family is broad and deep.

I belive the link should go here.


Edited by NW Ponderer (07/13/17 01:26 PM)
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#302250 - 07/12/17 03:21 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Trump sees himself as an oligarch who has come to power. He models himself after Putin, and is trying to install his oligarchs/supplicants into positions of authority. Like Russian oligarchs, he did not get into his position honestly, but by manipulation of laws, abuse of others, and by graft. Like his Russian counterparts, he is also, quite literally, beholden to Putin for his current status.

Trump has specific reasons for sucking up to Russia. First, he owes Russians a lot of money. Behind Trumpís Russia Romance, Thereís a Tower Full of Oligarchs. Second, they have been pouring money into his coffers - and are doing so now. Third, the Magnitsky Act is preventing him from building Trump Tower, Moscow, with his friends who offered dirt on Hillary.
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#302263 - 07/12/17 06:02 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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We really have pretty good proof Trump Senior knew about the collusion before it happened. Hours after Trump Junior setup the meeting, Trump Senior went public and announced he would very soon give a speech about all the Clinton wrongdoings.

Then when the meeting flopped, he skipped that speech. That on and then off behavior is proof that somebody (not necessarily Trump Junior) told him all about the meeting to receive opposition research from a foreign government, both before and after the meeting. Trump Senior did not attend, but he was definitely in the loop.

"What did the President know, and when did he know it?" Sound familiar?

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#302268 - 07/12/17 06:12 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
We really have pretty good proof Trump Senior knew about the collusion before it happened. Hours after Trump Junior setup the meeting, Trump Senior went public and announced he would very soon give a speech about all the Clinton wrongdoings.

Then when the meeting flopped, he skipped that speech.

A-yup.

LOCK HIM UP!! laugh
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#302296 - 07/13/17 01:32 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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DJT, Junior may be the Achilles heal to this organization.
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#302299 - 07/13/17 03:52 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I think this is a useful tool to understanding Trump's web of Russian ties. In my opinion, the business ties are most critical, but help explain some of the others (like Flynn and Manafort).
All of Trumpís Russia Ties, in 7 Charts (a little outdated).
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#302301 - 07/13/17 04:43 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
DJT, Junior may be the Achilles heal to this organization.

...and "everyone" thought that Eric was the dumb one. coffee
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