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#301467 - 06/03/17 01:12 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I want to apologize to our allies for sending Trump into their midst. And I want to thank them for not hiding their disdain for the Cheeto man.
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#301470 - 06/03/17 03:24 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: Spag-hetti]
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Trump's main accomplishment resulting from his Great Foreign Crusade does seem to be the removal of the pretense of respect for him and to enable free speech about his shortcomings!
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#301471 - 06/03/17 08:56 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I just want to assure our allies that most of us are horrified too, and not to worry too much. The alliances and security arrangements of the last half century will all be intact just as soon as we get rid of this Russian stooge.

Please be patient: These things take time in the American political system.

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#301486 - 06/04/17 02:57 AM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: Spag-hetti]
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Originally Posted By: Spag-hetti
I want to apologize to our allies for sending Trump into their midst.
Who let the Don out, who, who, who?...
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#301492 - 06/04/17 04:19 AM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
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As much as I want to see President Donald (I am not a target) Trump removed from office, a John Oliver segment reminded me that President Donald (The pumpkin) Trump may be the least of the evils.

In order of succession:
President Donald (Comb over) Trump
Vice-president Mike (The Theocrat) Pence
Speaker Paul (I have a budget) Ryan
President pro tempore of the Senate Orrin Hatch
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson
Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin
Defense Secretary James Mattis
Attorney General Jeff Sessions
Secretary of the Interior Ryan Zinke
Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue
Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross
Labor Secretary Alex Acosta
Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price
Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson
Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao* Not a natural born citizen
Energy Secretary Rick Perry
Education Secretary Betsy DeVos
Veteran Affairs Secretary David Shulkin
Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly

Taken from a NEW YORK DAILY NEWS article
Updated: Wednesday, May 17, 2017, 4:49 PM

"For no specific reason, here’s a reminder of the order of succession if President Trump — and any of his immediate successors — were to somehow leave office very soon."


We may just want to keep him, the list is frightening eek
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#301493 - 06/04/17 05:01 AM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
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That's just if somebody managed to kill everybody all at once above each person. For example, they would have to kill the top six to get to Mattis. (Probably at least competent, since he is a General.)

A much more likely scenario is that Trump goes and we get President Pence. Then he fires everybody and replaces them with his own guys. It is somewhat rare for a new President to keep appointees over from the last administration unless they have longer appointments like the head of the FBI.

Pence would probably be more competent than Trump. (It would be hard to be worse.) He would most likely make some conservative but competent appointments. We might not like them, but his administration would at least be competent and not Russian agents.

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#301494 - 06/04/17 10:59 AM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: NW Ponderer]
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There is actually a different scenario that could happen: Trump does not get impeached before the 2018 election. Democrats take the House and sizable chunk of the Senate. Nancy Pelosi becomes Speaker. House Democrats impeach Trump and Pence together. Pelosi becomes President.

This is another reason why Republicans might want to impeach Trump before 2018. If they do, then President Pence could find an unimpeachable Republican to make VP ( like Gerald Ford ).

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#301500 - 06/04/17 03:22 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Seems to me that if collusion with Russia during the election were to be proven, then the whole election would have to be invalidated. We should have a redo.
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#301501 - 06/04/17 03:24 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: Spag-hetti]
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Originally Posted By: Spag-hetti
Seems to me that if collusion with Russia during the election were to be proven, then the whole election would have to be invalidated. We should have a redo.

Let's feel the Bern!
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#301503 - 06/04/17 03:39 PM Re: Worst Case Scenario [Re: logtroll]
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Loggy said:
Let's feel the Bern!


I do; I definitely do.
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