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#301800 - 06/20/17 08:58 PM Re: The truth - finally [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Interesting stuff. I am, however, a bit confused. Evidently the result is some kind of actual belief that the rich, actively or passively, are destroying the nation. Some, whilst leaning in that direction believe that we will destroy this evil and things will work out. My own thought was much more simple. Basically, our media is wrecking the country because their bottom line is more important than their capacity to understand what they are doing and accept responsibility for same.

Who owns the media? CUI BONO?

The hypnopaedic meme that the media are just giving the people what they want is patently ridiculous!

Those who cannot comprehend the power of modern advertising, propaganda, brainwashing and conditioning to mold the minds of their victims have failed to understand the most important social force of the past one hundred years.
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#301801 - 06/20/17 10:08 PM Re: The truth - finally [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
[These are people for whom phrases like "Going Galt" are treated like Gospel from The Almighty Himself.



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#301802 - 06/20/17 10:26 PM Re: The truth - finally [Re: jgw]
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matthew - I tend to believe the pure greed, in America, tends to rule (was going to say "trump all else" but ...... (g)) In other words I am simply not convinced that those who control/own the media actually have a clue. (Kinda makes one yearn for the good old days when they were taxed 85% (50's & 60's)). Where there is rampant greed thinking kinda flies out the window and 'me' and 'I' takes up just about all.

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#301803 - 06/21/17 01:16 AM Re: The truth - finally [Re: matthew]
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Matthew:

I’ve been laying low around here mostly because I have said everything I could possibly say. And my pearls of wisdom are divine like. Hence a rarity

But I must say your attached Jesus/Randian comic was purdy damn funny. And sooo true.
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#301810 - 06/21/17 09:40 PM Re: The truth - finally [Re: jgw]
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#301819 - 06/22/17 06:36 AM Re: The truth - finally [Re: matthew]
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What would Ayn Rand do?


She certainly took her Social Security and Medicare when she retired. So much for "going Galt". I think that pretty much invalidates everything she ever said.

Oh, I know: She was a "performance artist" like so many right-wing talking heads. Her literature was just for entertainment purposes, like Fox News.

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#301834 - 06/22/17 09:10 PM Re: The truth - finally [Re: jgw]
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The right would say that she was forced to pay into SS and that medicare too was paid for. She didn't want to do it that way and probably would have said that gov stole you RIGHT to take care of herself. These are easy ones. I betcha, however, that she would also appreciate firemen putting out the fire if you house was burning down or calling the police if she needed them although, there too, she would have said that had she been 'allowed' she would have privately paid for the fireman and personal security. In other words, Ayn Rand would not have believed in a social necessities paid for by society. This is where they go wrong (in my mind). She would have also, for instance, not agreed with taxing for highways but would have had every highway tolled. The problem with that one is that travel would not be possible for many. An example of that one was the people who abandoned their dried out land and moved west (for the most part - Oakies, Akies, etc). Our mobility has served the entire nation well (again, in my mind).

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#301839 - 06/23/17 12:53 AM Re: The truth - finally [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
She would have also, for instance, not agreed with taxing for highways but would have had every highway tolled. The problem with that one is that travel would not be possible for many. An example of that one was the people who abandoned their dried out land and moved west (for the most part - Oakies, Akies, etc). Our mobility has served the entire nation well (again, in my mind).


The Right has been fearmongering about the leftist nanny state imposing "internal passports" Soviet style for years.
Meanwhile, their own wet dream is a brilliant workaround because once you get above 60 cents a mile for tolls (a very real possibility in the next decade) you have effectively, for all practical purposes, IMPOSED a virtual internal passport system for anyone who isn't in the top five percent.
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