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#302442 - 07/26/17 06:41 AM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: NW Ponderer]
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They voted on Mitch McConnell's Better Care Reconciliation Act. Only got 43 votes! Now there trying to think up something they can pass. They still have the seemingly insurmountable problem that anything the conservatives like, the moderates hate, and vice versa.

They say they are looking for a "skinny bill", one with not much in it. Okay, how about a bill to just change the name of ACA to "RomneyCare". That's pretty damned skinny.

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#302445 - 07/26/17 10:07 AM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I'm tired of all the negativity. Let's make a list of Republican accomplishments in the last 20 years. I'll start.
.. um. Uh. Shoot.

Okay, 40 years. Ah. Well... okay.

I got nothin'.
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#302447 - 07/26/17 12:41 PM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Now that, thankfully, the blunderbuss of a health care overhaul that was the atrociously misnamed "Better Health Care Act" has died an inglorious death, it will be important to kill its hydra-like offspring seriatim, and in detail. Nothing proposed by the GOP improves "healthcare" by any measure (even their own).

The Senate needs to follow Senator McCain's lead and return to regular order, in a non-partisan fashion to find a real solution (ahem, public option). There are perhaps market-based tweeks, too. The focus needs to be on what works, not what follows party-branding ideology. There is a particularly acute problem in rural America. Start there.
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#302448 - 07/26/17 02:10 PM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I listened to Scaramouche this morning and it is clear there will be no rational approach to HC. It will be based on the notion the free market will do the job better because that is what conservative ideology says it will do.

So you can forget any thought about public option or single payer or any other plan which does not make room for a huge 1% tax payer cut.

The political calculus (and reality in states where these extremists reside) may be they do not care what happens to people because their base, their supporters, their voters do not want the government involved in anything.
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#302449 - 07/26/17 04:41 PM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: rporter314]
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Our best hope, and probably our only option to achieve single payer, is to let Republicans have their way. Like everything else they do it will fail. Spectacularly. Yes, many will die, more will suffer, but there appears to be no other way.
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#302472 - 07/28/17 06:16 AM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Skinny Republican bill is dead. It's over. Republicans give up. They can't pass anything thanks to McCain, Murkowski, and Collins.

Now the House can go back to passing Kill Obamacare bills that the Senate ignores.

These three were smart not to trust the House not to pass it straight to Trump to sign. There were actually several more Senators who were against the bill but believed Ryan and McConnell when they said it would get fixed in a conference and come back for another vote. But you know those guys are lying weasels. I guess these three Republican Senators know exactly what kind of rodents they are dealing with.

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#302473 - 07/28/17 08:36 AM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
I'm tired of all the negativity. Let's make a list of Republican accomplishments in the last 20 years. I'll start.
.. um. Uh. Shoot.

Okay, 40 years. Ah. Well... okay.

I got nothin'.


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#302474 - 07/28/17 10:01 AM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Skinny Republican bill is dead. It's over. Republicans give up. They can't pass anything thanks to McCain, Murkowski, and Collins.

I'm sure our great and wonderful "successful businessman" President has the sad today. Oh the tears of a clown. Hmm





As an aside: Jeff Bezos was named richest man in the world today. No wonder Donald J Trump hates Bezos. Our President can act like such a jealous little mean-girl sometimes. coffee

Liberals should run Bezos for POTUS in 2020
At least Bezos is a real sucessful self-made business man. smile
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#302475 - 07/28/17 01:46 PM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: pdx rick]
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Liberals should run Bezos for POTUS in 2020

Since we've gotten rid of that silly "conflicts of interest" thing all government purchases would go through Amazon under the Bezos administration.
Just imagine, everything the government wants and needs delivered free in two days(with the government's prime membership)
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#302477 - 07/28/17 02:38 PM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Though Bezos has many of the characteristics that would serve him well in office, never again should this nation elect an inexperienced governmental leader.
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