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#302478 - 07/28/17 02:39 PM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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Liberals should run Bezos for POTUS in 2020

Since we've gotten rid of that silly "conflicts of interest" thing all government purchases would go through Amazon under the Bezos administration.
Just imagine, everything the government wants and needs delivered free in two days(with the government's prime membership)


LOL ROTFMOL Bow
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#302484 - 07/28/17 07:44 PM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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never again should this nation elect an inexperienced governmental leader


I don't know: Some Generals have worked out pretty well. But they are very used to a complex power structure and know how to operate within it. Most CEOs of a public company would understand that as well.

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#302490 - 07/29/17 02:04 AM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Some are saying that McCain took one for the team with his vote. He saved them all from being replaced or even being assassinated if they threw all those people off their coverage, and he could do it because he is not going to run again. (Or even live much longer.)

Now his Republican colleagues can blame him for not fulfilling their 7 year long promise to kill Obamacare, without fear of being primaried at the next election.

I think there is actually a real chance for a Super Skinny Bill: Send the House a bill that only changes the name of it to RomneyCare, so credit can go to the original author of the program. Nothing else, and no amendments allowed. I suspect enough Democrats would vote for that to make it veto-proof, if Republicans would agree to stop trying to screw it up.

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#302491 - 07/29/17 12:40 PM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: pondering_it_all]
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The repeal and replace effort failed dramatically, if not spectacularly (the vote was49-51, after all) in the early morning hours of Friday. But still means the vast majority of Republican lawmakers were willing to vote for policy they knew was bad and many opposed - just to be on the winning side.

Now, of course, there is the opportunity to actually address the real problems. The question is, will they? Or maybe even more important, will they in a timely fashion? There has already been a concerted effort to sabotage the ACA as an excuse to end it: Sabotage Watch: Tracking Efforts to Undermine the ACA - CBPP. HHS Secretary Price has (probably illegally) used HHS resources to produce "23 videos featuring individuals explaining how the ACA has harmed them" rather than using appropriated funds to promote and explain the program.
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Unable — at least so far — to kill the Affordable Care Act outright, the Trump administration has conducted a sustained war of attrition designed to inflict fatal damage on Obamacare.
Killing Obamacare Softly - NYT (opinion, subscription).

Given the thoroughly dishonest, morally bankrupt party/administration, don't expect these efforts to end anytime soon. Next on Republicans’ Agenda: Sabotaging Obamacare - New Republic. Trump has already telegraphed that intention, naturally via tweet. Given what a historically sore loser (emphasis on loser) Trump is, I expect it will get very bad for Americans.
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#302493 - 07/29/17 12:55 PM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Some are saying that McCain took one for the team with his vote.



I do not believe this at all, Senator McCain's vote was a surprise for all

Senator McCain's Vote
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#302494 - 07/29/17 02:03 PM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: NW Ponderer]
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the opportunity to actually address the real problems

i think i should re-emphasize the real problem to finding a solution

CONSERVATIVES DO NOT WANT GOVERNMENT INVOLVED NOR DO THEY BELIEVE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE INVOLVED.

sorry to yell but all questions should be filtered through that lens.

So now the question becomes one of whether Republican leadership will allow alternative plans which include government in their formulation or not. The answer is clearly no.

So what is your question?

An alternative would be for those seeking real solutions to hit the airways with those plans and see if Americans are more interested in real solutions or Republican ideological non-solutions.
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#302495 - 07/29/17 03:38 PM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: rporter314]
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CONSERVATIVES DO NOT WANT GOVERNMENT INVOLVED NOR DO THEY BELIEVE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE INVOLVED.


And that's it in a nutshell.

Looking at it over history, government enables capitalism until capitalism runs roughshod over the economy until government is forced to intervene...then it's rinse and repeat.
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#302501 - 07/29/17 05:14 PM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Republicans have been trying to pass these ridiculous healthcare bills through a process called budget reconciliation which, among other things, protects the bill from being filibustered in the Senate and only requires a simple majority of 50 votes (rather than 60, which the Republicans don't have).

But the Senate can only consider one budget reconciliation bill per topic per year, which means if the bill dies in committee and never comes to an official vote, it doesn't count.
That's why they've been able to continue bringing motion after motion and bill after bill to the floor, over and over again.

But McCain cast a deciding vote to allow debate and therefore the bill was allowed to come to the Senate floor
Republicans thought for sure that they had the votes.
They figured that Collins, Murkowski and the Democrats would vote no, everyone else would vote yes, and Pence would be the tie-breaker, and BLAMMO straight repeal becomes the new reality.

McCain dropped the bomb on them, a totally calculated move; he voted to allow the bill to come to the floor. Had McCain allowed it to die in committee, McConnell could have come back with yet another repeal bill; but McCain helped make it come to a vote, and now they can't consider another budget reconciliation bill for the rest of the fiscal year.

McConnell will need 60 votes to pass any kind of healthcare reform now.
So now they either admit defeat and maybe make another effort later; that move could damage elections if they try it before the midterms, or risk losing the slim majority they already have if they wait or they actually have to finally sit down with the democrats like adults and write a halfway decent healthcare bill.z

(hat tip to Deb Tezich)

The only problem I now have is, can we expect Republicans to conduct themselves like leaders and statesmen serving the needs of the country, or do we expect them to do what they have been doing since 2009?
September will be here before you know it.
Will they come back and double down, or triple down, on pure sabotage?
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#302502 - 07/29/17 05:19 PM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
The only problem I now have is, can we expect Republicans to conduct themselves like leaders and statesmen serving the needs of the country, or do expect them to do what they have been doing since 2009?

I can't stop chuckling.... LOL
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#302503 - 07/29/17 05:32 PM Re: Public Option is the ONLY Option [Re: NW Ponderer]
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September will be here before you know it.
Will they come back and double down, or triple down, on pure sabotage?
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