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#302562 - 08/04/17 10:02 PM Nazism versus Communism
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#302570 - 08/05/17 12:02 PM Re: Nazism versus Communism [Re: Golem]
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Cute, but like most things on twitter, inaccurate.
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#302580 - 08/05/17 06:20 PM Re: Nazism versus Communism [Re: Golem]
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Well, Hitler was terrific on patriotism and he loved children and small dogs. He was just trying to Make Germany Great Again. If not for the racism and homophobia, and the tendency to invade other countries, he could have lead Germany successfully for the rest of his life.

He like campaign rallies, too. Also people who told him he was great.

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#302581 - 08/05/17 06:35 PM Re: Nazism versus Communism [Re: Golem]
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#302584 - 08/05/17 09:44 PM Re: Nazism versus Communism [Re: Golem]
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No, not really. To Godwin someone, you have to compare them to bad, bad Hitler. I praised Hitler for his potential and did not compare him to anybody.

Anyway, the thread topic is fascism and communism. I don't think you can call "godwin" on somebody for mentioning Hitler in a fascism thread.

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#302596 - 08/06/17 05:47 PM Re: Nazism versus Communism [Re: Golem]
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The CONservatives that I deal with think that Fascism and Communism are on the same side on the political spectrum. You've probably guessed by now, they think Fascism is "Leftwing" as well. LOL

...as well as Nazism because of the word "Socialism" in the Nazi title. dunce
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#302603 - 08/06/17 09:57 PM Re: Nazism versus Communism [Re: Golem]
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Well, they both DO put the interests of The State above the interests of the individual. The biggest differences in the pure theories of government is that Nazis cooperate with big business closely, while Communists have the government own and operate all businesses.

The individual is screwed either way. In the Communist system you have to be a Party member and government functionary to do well. In the Nazi system you could be that or you could be one of those business CEOs that cooperate closely with the government.

Communist governments pay some lip service to everyone being equal, having the same rights and duty to the state, etc. but there has not been one yet that wasn't corrupt. Some of the animals are always more equal than the others. Usually a LOT more equal.

From the point of view of the common man, they are both authoritarian. From the point of view of economists, they are both doomed to fail because they try to control an impossible number of economic decisions.

But don't confuse Nazism with Fascism. There have been lots of Fascist governments that didn't murder the Jews, didn't invade neighbors, etc. They are called Military Dictatorships and a few have been pretty benevolent to their citizens.

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#302608 - 08/07/17 04:46 AM Re: Nazism versus Communism [Re: Golem]
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I'm waiting for the list of "good" fascists...
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#302611 - 08/07/17 08:40 AM Re: Nazism versus Communism [Re: Golem]
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I wouldn't say "good", but not Nazi-class. I'm thinking of military governments that eventually hold elections. It has actually happened, just like Monarchies have been pretty good at times.

Hey, we are supposed to be a Constitutional Republic but we still interred all those Japanese-Americans and stole all their property. My wife's grandfather died in FBI custody for the crime of being a newspaper publisher in Hawaii. Not a lot of respect for individual rights.

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#302614 - 08/07/17 04:20 PM Re: Nazism versus Communism [Re: Golem]
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I'll Grant that there are degrees of everything, including evil. There have been relatively progressive - and even progressive - monarchies and juntas. Strongmen can be good for the right reasons. More often though, power corrupts.

Authoritarians come in different flavors, but it's usually the people that suffer. I'm trying to learn to distinguish between Putin and Trump in that vein. It's as difficult as distinguishing between Stalin and Hitler. Trump just doesn't have Putin's tools.
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