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#302598 - 08/06/17 08:10 PM Round Table for August 2017
Jeffery J. Haas Offline


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Round Table for August 2017

THIS particular August 2017 Round Table begins on this day, August 6, 2017.
At 8:16 a.m. Japanese time, an American B-29 bomber, the Enola Gay, dropped the world’s first atomic weapon over the city of Hiroshima. 80,000 people were killed instantly, and another 35,000 were injured. At least another 60,000 would be dead by the end of the year from the effects of the fallout.



On this day, in 1991, Peugeot sent notice to its franchisees that it was withdrawing from the American car market, citing decreasing US sales.



On this day in 1902, Arthur Flegenheimer is born in the Bronx.
Thirty-three years later, his life came to a violent and bloody conclusion when he was shot down in the men’s room of the Palace Chophouse in Newark, New Jersey.
You might know him as Dutch Schultz.




Lucille Ball was also born on this day in Jamestown, New York.
She would become the most powerful woman in Hollywood.



That was fortunate for TWO men, Desi Arnaz and Gene Roddenberry.























For residents of Tulsa Oklahoma, the fall tornado season got an early start, or maybe the spring tornado season never really ended.

25 were hurt and hundreds more dig out of the rubble in Tulsa, OK.
But that wouldn't have anything to do with "climate change", which is thought to be a hoax by many in the region. wink






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#302602 - 08/06/17 09:36 PM Re: Round Table for August 2017 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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The world's first atomic bomb was set off in Alamogordo, New Mexico on June 16th, 1945. Hiroshima was the second, or the first actually used as a weapon.

The interesting thing about the Hiroshima bomb is that it was the very first uranium bomb ever detonated. That technology had never been tested. The New Mexico and Nagasaki bombs were both plutonium and similar design, so they were pretty sure their weapon would work. And it did, with a yield about 33% higher than Hiroshima.

They were also radically different designs. The uranium bomb was a gun-type where a uranium "slug" was fired into a uranium target. The plutonium bombs were slices of a sphere that were driven together by explosives. (Higher yields are a product of how long you can keep the critical mass together. So "bigger" bombs don't need to use more fissile material, they just need better design and more conventional trigger explosives.)

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#302604 - 08/06/17 11:32 PM Re: Round Table for August 2017 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
The world's first atomic bomb was set off in Alamogordo, New Mexico on June 16th, 1945. Hiroshima was the second, or the first actually used as a weapon.


Ahhh the devil is in the details.
Atomic bomb or atomic weapon...in the case of Hiroshima, I'll edit to say "weapon".
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#302605 - 08/07/17 12:29 AM Re: Round Table for August 2017 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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The Trinity Site explosion was a device (does fit the definition of a bomb) it was not dropped from a airplane. It was tower mounted and to big to load on a plane. So in the common usage sense Hiroshima was the first atomic bomb, dropped from a airplane.

Trinity Site is about 50 miles northwest of Alamogordo and is actually located in the middle (with the 50 mile extension (US 380 north to US 60) when needed) of the White Sands Missile Range. History. I was stationed there in 74 - 76


Edited by Ujest Shurly (08/07/17 12:31 AM)
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#302606 - 08/07/17 01:23 AM Re: Round Table for August 2017 [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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Until we return again to Tat’s dear site. The site of the Tsar Bomba. That was when men were men--not just mein:

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#302607 - 08/07/17 04:15 AM Re: Round Table for August 2017 [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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A bomb does not have to be dropped from an airplane. Lots of terrorists use bombs, almost zero of those dropped from an airplane. To make a bomb you need a confined explosion that bursts it's containment. A cherry bomb qualifies, as does the Trinity gadget. Chernobyl does not.

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#302609 - 08/07/17 05:40 AM Re: Round Table for August 2017 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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With Nukes you can have a dandy criticallity without any containment. A flash of blue light, and the blue light special make all in range well done.It nearly happened again in federal nuclear weapons arsenal lab. The lab has been closed since 2013 because they cant replace the nuclear scientists that walked off the job do to shoddy and very dangerous safety issues.


Nuclear negligence


This is a very scary series of 6 reports the detail the condition that led to the scenario where essentially all the nuke scientists walked off the job, when pushed to safety violations by the private contractors who wanted to make quota.

We may be our own worst nuclear threat!
Some things go poorly when privatized!
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#302610 - 08/07/17 08:32 AM Re: Round Table for August 2017 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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That happened in a plutonium recycling plant in Japan, too. Workers were behind schedule so they doubled the quantity of stuff in a bucket. Unfortunately, the amount to put in the bucket was calculated so no critical mass could exist. Apparently this was not explained to the lowly factory workers. They set off a sustained fission reaction, spattered the whole room and themselves with radioactive stuff, and fried themselves with lethal radiation.

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#302612 - 08/07/17 09:52 AM Re: Round Table for August 2017 [Re: TatumAH]
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Originally Posted By: TatumAH

There's something going-on with the Hanford plant in WA State as well. The walls and ceilings of the caves keep caving-in. gobsmacked , tinfoilhat
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#302613 - 08/07/17 04:13 PM Re: Round Table for August 2017 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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We went into the nuclear age with only a modicum of understanding of the implications and second and third order effects. The clean up will take more than all of our lifetimes (and half-lifetimes). Untoward effects are inevitable.
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