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#302711 - 08/15/17 08:10 PM Anonymous declares war on the alt-right in new video
Jim D (FreeThinker) Offline
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The following are quotes from Anonymous:

Quote:
"Anonymous has made it clear that it will not stand by as this bigotry continues to perpetuate. We are taking a stand against an intolerant evil that must be crushed."

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"That is why we chose to engage Operation Domestic Terrorism, where we continue to take down domestic terrorism websites, and out those who share the ideology."

Quote:
“If you value your life, Mr Anglin, you will need to flee the country. We will find you, we promise.”


I have very mixed emotions about this. Usually my views and theirs are similar BUT they are being cyber vigillantes (this is nothing new for them.) We are a country of laws and by doing what they are doing lowers them to the level of their enemies.
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#302715 - 08/15/17 11:04 PM Re: Anonymous declares war on the alt-right in new video [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
Ujest Shurly Offline
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The last quote, a threat, puts Anonymous on the same level as the Alt-right, Nazis, KKK, Supremacists and other terrorists and terrorist organizations.

The first quote, I applaud Anonymous.

The second quote, I wish they found a different way to say it. Their actions may hinder monitoring and other investigations by Federal, State and Local authorities. I applaud the last phrase.
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#302717 - 08/16/17 01:17 AM Re: Anonymous declares war on the alt-right in new video [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
pondering_it_all Offline
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How about a more moderate approach: In every town that has a civil war memorial to the losers, form a group to move the memorial to some volunteer's front yard. We really should not have memorials to traitors on public property and supported by public funds.

And that's really what this is about. Those civil war general's, etc. were traitors to the US. They went over to another country and made war on the US, after swearing to defend the US Constitution when they became soldiers. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson may have been slave owners but they were never traitors.

And THAT Mr. Trump is why we need to take down these statues, or at least make them private. TREASON But I guess you don't know the meaning of the word.

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#302728 - 08/16/17 07:12 PM Re: Anonymous declares war on the alt-right in new video [Re: pondering_it_all]
pondering_it_all Offline
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I see that the city of Baltimore did just that in the middle of the night. City crews worked overnight to remove all of their Confederate memorials. They didn't say where they will end up, but they are no longer on display in parks.

They do have a Confederate cemetery. Maybe they can squeeze them all in there. Move some bodies closer together, etc.

A lot of "problems" is this country have very simple solutions, if you just get off your ass and do them. Like solving the whole abortion protest BS by requiring every pharmacy to stock and sell RU-486 and the morning after pill if they want to remain licensed.

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#302731 - 08/16/17 11:10 PM Re: Anonymous declares war on the alt-right in new video [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
pondering_it_all Offline
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Quote:
quotes from Anonymous


You know, Anonymous isn't really any one person or defined group. It consists of internet hackers who just happen to agree on things. They may only ever communicate by one of them posting something and many others seeing that post and working by themselves to carry it out.

It is really "formed" by each posting attributed to Anonymous, for each operation. They may not even know who any other "member" is. Hackers who agree with the idea just do it.

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#302847 - 08/23/17 08:33 PM Re: Anonymous declares war on the alt-right in new video [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline


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Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 12732
Loc: Whittier, California

I’ve been saying all week that it's not about the statues.
But Nazi Trump and his Nazi supporters want to ram it home.
To them, it IS all about the statues.
Confederate Trump says he doesn’t back losers but the fact is, Confederates are losers because they WERE losers. And they lost because their ideology was defective, so defective that six hundred thousand Union Army were willing to give their lives to make them surrender, and another thirty thousand civilians died supporting them.
It’s all about their 160 year old Lost Cause of the South.

Their president hates losers, except when they adore him. Then they are useful to him.
He can pack a crowd of them behind his ample ass and make attack speeches, with his patented Donald Trump “finger bang hand jive” that looks like an interpreter for the deaf on crack.

It's all about giving free speech to two groups of genocidal monsters who have so many dead bodies racked up that they would reach from Los Angeles to Melbourne Australia if you laid them end to end.
Six million dead Jews and at least a hundred thousand or more dead black people stand in mute testimony to the atrocities committed by these terrorist outfits. No other outlaw sect enjoys more quiet protection in the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave than the American Nazi and his white hooded compatriot, the Klansman.

Klansman Trump claims he “has a great relationship with the blacks”, but if that truly is the case then why does the KKK love him so much?
Is it because Grand Wizard Trump wants to protect their statues of Nathan Bedford Forrest,
or does it go deeper than that?

Trump supporters want people to stop demanding removal of their precious statues because they can’t comprehend that a rabbi had to hire armed private security for the very first time in the history of the place of worship because Charlottesville police refused to protect them while a tidal wave of white supremacists marched continually back and forth in front of their temple, chanting slogans about burning Jews and mouthing other anti-Semitic slogans.

Alan Zimmerman, president of the Congregation Beth Israel, wrote:
“For half an hour, three men dressed in fatigues and armed with semi-automatic rifles stood across the street from the temple. Had they tried to enter, I don’t know what I could have done to stop them, but I couldn’t take my eyes off them, either.”
Zimmerman begged his congregation to quietly exit the temple by the back door in small groups so as not to draw the attention of Nazi marchers.

In the end, a woman was killed and twenty others gravely injured when a deranged Nazi decided that his car bumper was free speech.

Trump’s election has spurred record vandalism of Jewish temples, bombings and terrorist threats communicated by telephone, online and even via crudely scrawled notes.
Jewish cemeteries have hundreds of overturned and damaged headstones all across the country. Anti-semitic hate crimes are at an all-time high in the United States ever since the Nazi president ascended his Fourth Reich throne.

Trump’s ascent to power has even emboldened bitter old ladies and angry housewives to launch vicious tirades and physical attacks while standing in an ordinary supermarket out of the clear blue sky because they are offended by the mere presence of someone who isn’t lily white. The membership of Klan affiliated groups in the USA has tripled since 2009, doubling since November 2016 alone.

Across the nation, gangs of armed fatigue clad pretend paramilitary are now dubbing themselves “militias” and announcing a coming shooting war against anyone who defies their political and social views.

And through it all, Grand Master Trump smiles, folds his arms and beams approvingly, offering encouragement and unfulfilled promises to pay for their legal costs if they get arrested for assaulting protesters.

In the end however, statues are the ultimate symbol for a president who is unlikely to ever see one carved in his likeness unless he pays for it himself or tricks his admirers into erecting one in his honor.
George Carlin once said that he “prefers to leave symbols to the symbol minded”. I think that his clever play on words might be lost on most Trump supporters, because for them, there is no other issue. The mean and nasty commie liberals want to take away their symbols, that’s all. They cheered when Iraqis tore down statues of tyrants who bloodied their lives, they cheered when Soviets tore down statues of Communist leaders, but they don’t understand that the tearing down of a statue is just the start of a catharsis on the larger issues, and in the end, it is that catharsis which is sacred.

I assure you all, that in the end, the statues don’t really matter as much as the self-directed search for a proper moral center which condemns the moral wrongs that those statues represent.

I’ll make a deal with all you Nazis, Klan and Confederate statue lovers. You stop attacking Jews and vandalizing synagogues and Jewish cemeteries, and maybe we will consider shifting our focus away from your statues. Naturally that means we’d be focusing more on the larger issues that those statues represent.
Personally, I don’t think you can control your own people. Most likely the vandalism and bombings will continue. So I guess the demands for the removal of offensive statues will continue too.

Stop attacking black people, period.
You don’t get anything in return for that one.
Either stop or we will stop you by force. You’re whining about the idiots in the “New Black Panther Party” but you better hope to God that a REAL Black Panther Party doesn’t rise from the ashes, because the original Black Panthers loved guns as much as you do, maybe more, and they won’t just march around and wave flags. They will come for you in your homes and your businesses. And this time, they might just have some help from some of us melanin-challenged types who are sick of your sh!te.

Maybe you need to understand that most of us were not taught to hate, but even if you were to ignore that aspect, you’re just costing us too damn much money and too much time.
Yeah, that’s right, you’re even pissing off the apathetic self-absorbed folks who don’t really care all that much about the issue until it hits their wallets.
Truth is, not everyone is tuned in yet but once they start getting angry phone calls and emails about how their employees are marching around with hoods and swastikas, they start to care real quick because now you’re threatening their businesses, their livelihoods.

It hasn’t come to that yet, but there is every reason to believe that it will if you don’t retreat back to your hidey-holes.

And yet polls indicate that nine percent of Americans think that Nazi ideology is jolly well okay. That’s eighteen million of you out there.
But you seem to forget that there’s 172 million of us normal adults who think you’re a clear and present danger, to democracy, to the Constitution, to the very future of the nation itself.
The entire world even fought a war seventy years ago to put you out of our misery.
Don’t fool yourselves. Your dear leader can’t bring himself to disavow domestic terrorists without paying you tacit lip service, but I guarantee you his lip service is symbolic too.
It won’t last because once you have outlived your usefulness, he will turn his back on you.
Do you think you even have the ghost of a chance against the rest of the country?

Do we have to divorce all of you? Do we have to disown all of you?
Must we fire all of you? Must we cancel the privileges you’ve come to take for granted?
Must we revoke your professional licenses on the grounds of conduct that tarnishes the professional association you sealed yourself to?
Do we have to actually draw a line? Do we have to draw you a picture?
Do we have to carve a monument depicting your hidebound ignorance?
Must we experience the peristaltic contractions to civil war all over again?
Must we defecate you out of our bowels twice?
Must we summon a national fit of emesis in a desperate prophylactic bid to kill the parasite that threatens the host body?
Must we beat your twisted corpses over the head with pieces of your statues in order for you to understand that your poisoned thinking isn’t welcome in this country?
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#302848 - 08/24/17 02:09 AM Re: Anonymous declares war on the alt-right in new video [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
pondering_it_all Offline
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Registered: 02/27/06
Posts: 7098
Loc: North San Diego County
Come on Jeff, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel!

Seriously though, this too shall pass. All we need is a non-KKK President and back in their holes they go. How many of them are still living is up to them. Our police, national guard, and military don't react peaceably to armed insurrections.

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#302849 - 08/24/17 03:28 AM Re: Anonymous declares war on the alt-right in new video [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline


Pooh-Bah

Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 12732
Loc: Whittier, California
Not buying it.
Far too many po-po sympathize with the Klan, or the fascists, or both.
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#302861 - 08/24/17 11:12 PM Re: Anonymous declares war on the alt-right in new video [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
pondering_it_all Offline
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Offsetting the number of KKK-friendly police is the number of Black officers. Maybe not in small white-controlled Southern towns, but overall.

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