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#303141 - 09/17/17 02:22 AM Why America’s 1994 deal with North Korea failed – and what Trump canlearnfromit
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Why America’s 1994 deal with North Korea failed – and what Trump can learn from it

In 1998, both the US and the international atomic energy agency were satisfied that there had been 'no fundamental violation of any aspect of the framework agreement' by North Korea. But on its own pledges, Washington failed to follow through.

A sensible article in a main-stream British newspaper, recounting basic facts which you will never see in the lock-step, totalitarian American "free-press".

Don't forget, the genocidal US government killed 15-20% of the North Korean civilian population in North Korea during the Korean War --- dropping twice the tonnage of bombs on that tiny country as were used in all theaters of war in the Second World War. As might be imagined, the Koreans remember that very well. It is amazing that they dropped their guard sufficiently to make the 1994 Agreement.

After being betrayed by the duplicitous US government in the '90s and '00s, it will be hard to inveigle the North Koreans into another agreement unless they receive some pretty iron-clad guarantees.
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#303144 - 09/17/17 03:36 AM Re: Why America’s 1994 deal with North Korea failed – and what Trump canlearnfromit [Re: matthew]
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Originally Posted By: matthew
Don't forget, the genocidal US government killed 15-20% of the North Korean civilian population in North Korea during the Korean War --- dropping twice the tonnage of bombs on that tiny country as were used in all theaters of war in the Second World War. As might be imagined, the Koreans remember that very well. It is amazing that they dropped their guard sufficiently to make the 1994 Agreement.

After being betrayed by the duplicitous US government in the '90s and '00s, it will be hard to inveigle the North Koreans into another agreement unless they receive some pretty iron-clad guarantees.
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Dude you need to support your claimed facts.

1,000,000 South Koreans died in the Korean War, most from North Korean and Chinese actions, the standard kill the intelligentsia (governement officials, teachers, police, etc) to prevent resistance.

We did not follow through on our part of the agreement.

My support for my statements

A reader could draw the conclusion, from your writing, you hold favorable Communist opinions.
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#303171 - 09/19/17 02:22 AM Re: Why America’s 1994 deal with North Korea failed – and what Trump canlearn [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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Originally Posted By: Ujest Shurly

Dude you need to support your claimed facts.

From your own Wikipedia site:

Quote:
The first major U.S. strategic bombing campaign against North Korea, begun in late July 1950, was conceived as similar to the major offensives of World War II. On 12 August 1950, the U.S. Air Force dropped 625 tons of bombs on North Korea; two weeks later, the daily tonnage increased to some 800 tons. Following the intervention of the Chinese in November, General MacArthur ordered increased bombing campaign on North Korea which included incendiary attacks against their arsenals and communications centers and especially against the "Korean end" of all the bridges across the Yalu River. As with the aerial bombing campaigns over Germany and Japan in World War II, the nominal objective of the U.S. Air Force was to destroy North Korea's war infrastructure and shatter their morale. After MacArthur was removed as Supreme Commander in Korea in April 1951, his successors continued this policy and ultimately extended it to all of North Korea. The U.S. dropped a total of 635,000 tons of bombs, including 32,557 tons of napalm, on Korea, more than during the whole Pacific campaign of World War II.
Almost every substantial building in North Korea was destroyed as a result. The war's highest-ranking U.S. POW, U.S. Major General William F. Dean, reported that the majority of North Korean cities and villages he saw were either rubble or snow-covered wasteland. North Korean factories, schools, hospitals, and government offices were forced to move underground, and air defenses were "non-existent." In November 1950, the North Korean leadership instructed their population to build dugouts and mud huts and to dig underground tunnels, in order to solve the acute housing problem.[320] U.S. Air Force General Curtis LeMay commented, "we went over there and fought the war and eventually burned down every town in North Korea anyway, some way or another, and some in South Korea, too." Pyongyang, which saw 75 percent of its area destroyed, was so devastated that bombing was halted as there were no longer any worthy targets.... By the end of the campaign, US bombers had difficulty in finding targets and were reduced to bombing footbridges or jettisoning their bombs into the sea.

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#303183 - 09/20/17 05:42 PM Re: Why America’s 1994 deal with North Korea failed – and what Trump canlearnfromit [Re: matthew]
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Originally Posted By: matthew
... dropping twice the tonnage of bombs on that tiny country as were used in all theaters of war in the Second World War.


As I said before "Dude you need to support your claimed facts."

I'll use the section you quoted from my support for my post.

"The U.S. dropped a total of 635,000 tons of bombs, including 32,557 tons of napalm, on Korea, more than during the whole Pacific campaign of World War II.

emphasis added to highlight the difference between claimed facts and facts.

I know, a small difference but an important difference.
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#303185 - 09/20/17 09:05 PM Re: Why America’s 1994 deal with North Korea failed – and what Trump canlearnfromit [Re: matthew]
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Amid the horrors which the USA inflicted on Korea,

a small difference and an unimportant difference !
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#303257 - 09/28/17 07:33 PM Re: Why America’s 1994 deal with North Korea failed – and what Trump canlearnfromit [Re: matthew]
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The guy who runs North Korea has said, time and again, that he went nuclear so that he could survive. Those with the nukes, he feels, is safe. What he apparently wants is to be a recognized nuclear power and then he will sit down. He may actually be right about the security thing. Please also remember that N. Korea suppled missiles to milldle eastern countries and there is some concern that he will also supply them with nuclear bombs.

Then there is the Chinese thing. We want them to do this and that to the North Koreans. The problem there is we have almost 30,000 troops on the N. Korean border, have been establishing a LOT of missel arrays, etc. China is not real enthused with this stuff as they feel threatened by our actions (consider how we would feel if Canada had a northern border with Russia, 30,000 Russian troops, and a pile of missiles, and the Russians threatening to attack us right now). I also don't think the the Chinese are crazy about the N. Korean leader either but what we have done would be, in any other situation, something that could REALLY upset the Chinese.

The Chinese, have told the N. Korean leader that if he is the first to shoot they are on their own. They have also put restrictions of N. Korea. Our response was to send more missiles to S. Korea. I have no solutions to all of this but we used to have clever people to work this stuff out. Now we have a leader, with a really bad mouth, and threatening to be the first to shoot. If that happens I fully expect that BOTH China and Russia will take the side of Korea and we will all die.

Just saying.................

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