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#303295 - 10/02/17 10:00 PM Las Vegas Massacre
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What I find interesting is that Stephen Paddock was 64 years of age.

I have long been puzzled why more mass shooters and terrorists aren't elderly. Logically, people with one foot in the grave and little to look forward to in life should be more willing to sacrifice themselves for some cause.

Do the elderly appreciate life more than the young, despite all the drawbacks of age and near death?

Perhaps being "older and wiser", they understand that it is unlikely that mass murder will produce a positive result.

However, both here and in daily life, I see little evidence that wisdom is much in evidence in the lives of most of the elderly.
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#303296 - 10/02/17 10:59 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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What's really very strange is that this guy does not fit any profile at all. We know he was pretty well off, had two planes and a pilot's license. Liked to play $100 a hand video poker. No religion, no politics. Brother describes him as non-violent. Did he just run out of money, and decide to end it all spectacularly?

Kinda makes me wonder if somebody else did the shooting and just lured him there as a fall guy. I'd really like to see his history of buying all these guns and the autopsy results with clothing and arms saturated with powder residue. Time of death liver temperature could tell us he was alive while the shooting was going on.

Maybe the only reliable indicator somebody is going to carry out a mass shooting is that he buys a lot of guns and ammo. Maybe we need to monitor that better.
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#303297 - 10/02/17 11:24 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Maybe the only reliable indicator somebody is going to carry out a mass shooting is that he buys a lot of guns and ammo. Maybe we need to monitor that better.

I have long thought that rather than tackling the hopeless job of controlling guns, we should concentrate on strictly controlling ammunition.
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#303298 - 10/02/17 11:29 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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What are the chances this guy was a right-wing militant?



The only unknown is whether he supported Trump in 2016.
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#303300 - 10/02/17 11:43 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
What's really very strange is that this guy does not fit any profile at all. We know he was pretty well off, had two planes and a pilot's license. Liked to play $100 a hand video poker. No religion, no politics. Brother describes him as non-violent. Did he just run out of money, and decide to end it all spectacularly?

Kinda makes me wonder if somebody else did the shooting and just lured him there as a fall guy. I'd really like to see his history of buying all these guns and the autopsy results with clothing and arms saturated with powder residue. Time of death liver temperature could tell us he was alive while the shooting was going on.

Maybe the only reliable indicator somebody is going to carry out a mass shooting is that he buys a lot of guns and ammo. Maybe we need to monitor that better.

News reports is that the shooter bought three of those long-guns within the last year at a Las Vegas area gun shop.
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#303301 - 10/02/17 11:44 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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64: Younger than me.
White: Yes
Gun Owner: They found more guns and ammo at his house.
Hunter" ? How do we know this?
Lives in rural area: But was manager of an apartment complex there, so not so rural!
Trump Supporter: ? How do we know this?

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#303302 - 10/02/17 11:47 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
64: Younger than me.
White: Yes
Gun Owner: They found more guns and ammo at his house.
Hunter" ? How do we know this?
Lives in rural area: But was manager of an apartment complex there, so not so rural!
Trump Supporter: ? How do we know this?

...but, every one knows you're a Prius-driving tree-hugger. smile We don't know if he was a Trump supporter. Hmm
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#303303 - 10/02/17 11:52 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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Originally Posted By: matthew
I have long been puzzled why more mass shooters and terrorists aren't elderly. Logically, people with one foot in the grave and little to look forward to in life should be more willing to sacrifice themselves for some cause.

Wisdom is over-rated... count me in!
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#303305 - 10/02/17 11:54 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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I expect that a New Frontier in terrorism has been opened: firing into crowds from high-rise tower windows.

Paddock supposedly shattered the thick window with some sort of sledge hammer.

Perhaps we must begin to put sensors in or by windows that will alert authorities if a window has been shattered.
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#303307 - 10/03/17 12:34 AM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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As of 3:30 PM Pacific Time:

Seven hours ago, official tools of the Right began a desperate attempt to FLOG the Las Vegas shooting as an instrument of "leftist" anger.
Seven HOURS ago...that's 8 o'clock in the morning, Pacific Time, 5 AM Eastern Time.
The amateurs began flogging it MINUTES after it happened, or AS IT WAS happening but the OFFICIAL organs picked up the chase before the Sun came up.

Kevin Martin - BREITBART reporter


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The shooter, Stephen Craig Paddock, 64.. a white liberal Democrat, hated President Trump and spoke openly about his political views. They are as follows...
Political Views per his Facebook page:
-Proud to Be A Democrat
-The Rachel Maddow Show​
-Thank You Obama
-Anti-Trump Army
-Progressive Day,
Organizing for Action (Soros)
-Not My President
-Fight Trump
-Boycott All Things Trump
-Impeach Trump
I am sharing, because the media won't.


The so called "Facebook page" attributed to Paddock was created by 4chan member Matthew Poland, who actually popped up from his 4chan anonymity to again point TO the faked page on Martin's thread.
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#303308 - 10/03/17 03:04 AM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Maybe the only reliable indicator somebody is going to carry out a mass shooting is that he buys a lot of guns and ammo. Maybe we need to monitor that better.


Some black guy tried that a few years ago, NRA and Republicans went apoplectic and all.
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#303311 - 10/03/17 03:30 AM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
As of 3:30 PM Pacific Time:

Seven hours ago, official tools of the Right began a desperate attempt to FLOG the Las Vegas shooting as an instrument of "leftist" anger.
Seven HOURS ago...that's 8 o'clock in the morning, Pacific Time, 5 AM Eastern Time.
The amateurs began flogging it MINUTES after it happened, or AS IT WAS happening but the OFFICIAL organs picked up the chase before the Sun came up.

Kevin Martin - BREITBART reporter


Quote:
The shooter, Stephen Craig Paddock, 64.. a white liberal Democrat, hated President Trump and spoke openly about his political views. They are as follows...
Political Views per his Facebook page:
-Proud to Be A Democrat
-The Rachel Maddow Show​
-Thank You Obama
-Anti-Trump Army
-Progressive Day,
Organizing for Action (Soros)
-Not My President
-Fight Trump
-Boycott All Things Trump
-Impeach Trump
I am sharing, because the media won't.


The so called "Facebook page" attributed to Paddock was created by 4chan member Matthew Poland, who actually popped up from his 4chan anonymity to again point TO the faked page on Martin's thread.

Yup, CONservatives have been doing that all day long.

How far-right trolls named the wrong man as the Las Vegas shooter

WaPo.com
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#303312 - 10/03/17 03:31 AM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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4channers suck - they helped elect Trump. mad
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#303315 - 10/03/17 05:00 AM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: pdx rick]
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I suspect most of those sucky 4chaners were actually operating out of the Kremlin's troll farm. 4chan is totally anonymous so you really have no idea who is posting. Perfect for manipulating public opinion if you are some Russian troll.

The authentic posters are neckbeards, teenagers, closet misogynists, tranny freaks, religious nuts, porn lovers, and lolicons. The modern equivalent of a pirate ship.

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#303321 - 10/03/17 11:58 AM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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James Corden:
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Some Say It’s ‘Too Early’ To Talk Gun Control, But It’s ‘Far Too Late’ for Vegas Victims

Quote:
Last night was the biggest mass shooting in United States history. That’s a record that’s been set twice since the two-and-a-half years that I’ve been living in America.</blockquote>True words.

True words. Bow
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#303323 - 10/03/17 02:29 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: pdx rick]
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If you sell a guy a gun designed to kill people ... if you sell a guy ammo designed to pierce armor ... aren't you kind of saying it's ok to kill a bunch of people?

And those who make these weapons and that ammo legal, aren't they sending that message loud and clear?

I hoped that when Republican congressmen were targeted and shot, Republican congressmen might wake up. But no. And now, with this record-breaking massacre ... dare we hope?
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#303332 - 10/03/17 09:47 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: Spag-hetti]
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Naw Spagett:

Those high capacity clips and semi autos that are easily converted to fully auto are designed to be be used solely by game hunters for sport. And hence gathering food to feed the family.... I suppose. Fergot about target shooters--forgive me.

Them semis and autos make the bullets expel faster soze one can bring down the targeted game in a sporting fashion.

Plus it helps to produce hamburger if one might be a poor marksman-- instead of the desired upon steaks for those who shoot straight. All for the sport of hunting remember.....

Or a well regulated militia. Mustn’t fergit to include them guyz our nation depends upon for its security and all.
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#303333 - 10/03/17 10:39 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: Ken Condon]
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I dare to disagree, my lanky friend. The real reason is simple - pursuit of happiness.

In fact, the NRA calls the fully automatic setting the "Happy Switch". It's a Constitutionally guaranteed right!

Fully automatic happy switch
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#303335 - 10/04/17 12:26 AM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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I suppose the most likely explanation for Paddock's actions is that he wished for us to remember his name.

That is an explanation for atrocities that goes back to at least 356 BC when Herostratus burned down the Temple of Artemis in Ephesis [Great is Diana of the Ephesians!]. He just wanted people forever to remember his name as the person who destroyed one of the Seven Wonders of the World.

The name of Herostratus has been preserved in the historical records, but very few people remember him now!
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#303339 - 10/04/17 12:41 AM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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Who?
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#303341 - 10/04/17 12:49 AM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Who?

Trump --- LOL
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#303345 - 10/04/17 05:26 AM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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I really think the only thing that can make Congress do anything is if somebody gets a machine gun in their chamber and blows away a bunch of Congressmen. And I do think it will happen. They've passed every law to permit it. Made sure that anyone can get a gun or 12 guns. Even crazy people.

What they have also done is to make it much more likely a White guy (with money and no criminal record) will be the one to do it, simply by creating a society in which Black men are more likely to have a criminal record that prohibits gun ownership.

I think Paddock may be the perfect example: Not criminal, not crazy, not religious, not political. The only indicator that he was going to commit a mass shooting was the guns themselves. Sure guns don't kill people, people do. But especially a person who buys multiple bumpstocks, multiple semi-automatic weapons, and lots of ammo.

Maybe this pattern of purchases should get you on a watch list, and when you move all those guns to someplace other than your home it should trigger some kind of alarm.

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#303347 - 10/04/17 11:30 AM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Maybe this pattern of purchases should get you on a watch list, and when you move all those guns to someplace other than your home it should trigger some kind of alarm.

Law Enforcement found some more guns at a mountain home that Paddock owned. The total amount of long-guns owned by Paddock is now 47. That is ridiculous! mad
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#303348 - 10/04/17 01:48 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: pdx rick]
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If, according to GOP NRA lackeys, it is indeed too soon after the Las Vegas massacre to discuss gun regulation, I wonder if it is too soon after Sandy Hook, or the Pulse nightclub, or Columbine. How long of a pregnant pause must there be?


Edited by Spag-hetti (10/04/17 01:48 PM)
Edit Reason: added preposition
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#303349 - 10/04/17 03:14 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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This "is not" a "machine gun": Bump Fire Watch the embedded video. That's one of the weapons we're dealing with.

Imagine if Steve "Fortified" Scalise's shooter had obtained a slide stock... That's the second retiree-aged shooter that engaged in a mass shooting this year... Is this a trend?
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#303351 - 10/04/17 05:20 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: NW Ponderer]
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My son sent two tweets, the first confused, the second clarified:
Whenever I hear "not the right time", I want to respond "Fine. Let's reschedule. Tell me the right time and I'll mark it on my calendar."...
Then:To expand on this: On average there's more than 6 mass shootings every week.(https://t.co/QKN9KmhkzC) When's a better time than now?
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#303355 - 10/04/17 08:15 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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I am having a problem with the entire gun thing and think some things are being missed. The first is the second amendment itself. It goes like; "A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." I am confused about the "well regulated militia" thing. Apparently this is completely ignored, then, again, maybe not. On the other hand apparently Congress CAN regulation guns? (then all gun owners are part of a well regulated militia?) Basically, as far as I can tell the congress is, by the constitution to regulate said militia (are are not doing a very good job of it).

Then there is the NRA thing. The NRA thing is a creature of the gun manufacturers. Dues paying members are there to help the gun manufacturers pay for the NRA but the organization itself remains in the hands of the gun manufacturers. Basically, this is not so much about having and using guns but SELLING MORE guns, and related stuff. The problem is, I think, with the members who think that the organization is for, and run by, themselves - they are, sadly, mistaken. I am basing this on the simple fact that the organization has received, literally, millions of dollars from the gun manufacturers. Then there is the money that the US army 'contributes' as well (this one has always given me some bit of humor). Just seems reasonable that them that pay for something get to have their say in that something.

It also seems, as far as I can tell, that we have decided to yet again ignore what other nations have done successfully, and the simple fact that regulation works (Australia is a fairly recent example of gun regulation which worked). The arguments against seem a bit like distributing nuclear bombs and, then, if somebody sets one off its the person who set it off at fault? (ie. its not the fault of the bomb so its gotta buy the doer)

Just saying............

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#303356 - 10/04/17 10:21 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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An awful lot of these guns used in mass shootings are guns legally purchased. Maybe part of that "well regulated" aspect of the 2nd Amendment should be that the government is entitled to know where every one of them is at all times. To that end, we could just put a tape-on RFID chip on every gun of every type. That way venues (like hotels) could have RFID readers that automatically detect and track weapons brought through their doors and elevators. RFID chips cost pennies and the readers are just a few dollars. We could make it a felony like filing off serial numbers to possess a gun without an id tag. If we made it law, everybody but criminals would get tags, but that is great because it turns unregistered weapon possession charges into a prison offense. Criminals would begin to think carrying an untagged gun is just an automatic prison term.

Then, a hotel could detect when somebody is bringing guns in and ask to see their concealed carry permit, or call SWAT if somebody brings a number of guns in.

This is one thing that actually has a technological fix.

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#303361 - 10/05/17 03:14 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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The National Rifle Association was not the radical organization it has become until a coup in 1977. It had supported the National Firearms Act (which banned machine guns and sawed-off shotguns), the Federal Firearms Act and the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), which together created a system to federally license gun dealers and established restrictions on particular categories and classes of firearms. Wikipedia

It wasn't until the 1960's and the Black Panther movement that gun-carry rights became a "thing" (The Secret History of Guns - the Atlantic), although it had been discussed when the 14th Amendment was debated. The Panthers inspired California to ban the practice.
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Republicans in California eagerly supported increased gun control. Governor Reagan told reporters that afternoon that he saw “no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.” He called guns a “ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will.” In a later press conference, Reagan said he didn’t “know of any sportsman who leaves his home with a gun to go out into the field to hunt or for target shooting who carries that gun loaded.” The Mulford Act, he said, “would work no hardship on the honest citizen.”
My how times have changed. Gun control has, historically, been used to suppress minorities. And now gun advocacy is used for that purpose.

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#303375 - 10/06/17 09:53 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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If you really want congress to do something how about letting the A.T.F (Alcohol, tobacco, firearms) have a computer. Right now, they have masses of data but none of it is in a computer because the elected class deemed that they shouldn't have any computers to deal with that data. Its great for providing jobs (they are trying to do it all by hand) but - well, you know.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/26/us/leg...-gun-crime.html

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#303381 - 10/07/17 03:15 AM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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Las Vegas hookers say that Stephen Paddock didn't tip well. I'll need to add that to my list:



I'm starting to see a profile emerge. If it looks like a CONservative, and acts like a CONservative - it's a CONservative. Hmm
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#303391 - 10/07/17 07:12 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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I wonder if anybody has thought about guns and the American public and what it all means. Australia, for instance, just took care of their gun problem and those problems have, pretty much, gone away. They did this because 30+ people were killed in a mass shooting. We, on the other hand, have now had any number of shootings that have occurred and, apparently, the American public don't want nuth'in to change. Here are some links to what we seem to think isn't worth fixing:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/these-are-the-10-deadliest-mass-shootings-in-us-history-2017-10-02
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/oct/02/america-mass-shootings-gun-violence

So, America is, basically, a refuge for them that want to slaughter by gun. Our elected will not move, the public will not insist, and, last but not least, we elected Donald Trump to, again apparently, do nothing but tell us how wonderful he is. Virtually every other nation on the face of the earth (other than failed states) have made serious efforts to control their guns but, not us! This is, we are told, all about liberty. What they don't seem to say is that its freedom to slaughter fellow citizens, from children in grade school to concert attendees. Its just flat out weird. Think on it. We have spent several trillion dollars, in the last 10 years killing foreigners in their own countries, literally, by the millions. Not being satisfied with that one we also, it seems, support murder in our own country. We are, incidentally, ranked about 50th in a list of most dangerous nations. Rwanda, for instance, is less dangerous than us.
https://www.atlasandboots.com/most-dangerous-countries-in-the-world-ranked/

We seem to have a problem and our elected class are, obviously, more interested in keeping their jobs (as, of course, citizen legislators - not, again of course, 'professional' politicians). There have been a pile of folks trying to fix even a little bit of this but, obviously, our elected are not willing to work on this one and the citizens of the greatest country in the world have no stomach for peace, safety, or giving a damn (something our elected understand and use to their benefit everything day). We are screwed, not only by corporations, not only by the greedy, not only by enemies and evil, but OURSELVES!

We are told, on a daily basis, that we now have a problem with drug addiction. We have spent over a trillion dollars saving ourselves and that effort hasn't even been able to keep the price of drugs up! Portugal, on the other hand decriminalized drugs in 2001 and not we are told that there are no more addicts in Portugal. In other words they choose a logical solution that, pretty much, worked. We, on the other hand made a moral judgment (we are REALLY good at that!).
https://www.smartdrugpolicy.org/decriminalization-the-portuguese-example/
https://mic.com/articles/110344/14-years...ning#.O9rXA1g1c
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...m=.9f9f98b6288b

We now seem to have a problem that has rejected the objective facts of science in favor of pure, unadulterated, baloney. We want our guns more than our lives, and safety, and prefer fiction to objective fact. We have spent literally trillions slaughtering (helping) others instead of taking care of our own nation which, amongst other things, has an infrastructure that is beginning to kill us. I find it all pretty strange and wish us all good luck.

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#303397 - 10/08/17 11:08 AM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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Saturday Night Live's Weekend Update: Las Vegas Massacre

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#303405 - 10/08/17 09:30 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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If the gun makers and the War Machine are ever decapitated, then rational actions about guns will occur --- but not until then.
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#303412 - 10/10/17 03:01 PM Re: Las Vegas Massacre [Re: matthew]
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Yeah, that'll be happening any day now...
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