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#303406 - 10/09/17 05:01 PM The Intellectual Roots of the War against Columbus
Golem Offline
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Jennifer C. Braceras
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October 9, 2017

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Bashing Christopher Columbus has long been de rigueur among the liberal elite. Today, it has infiltrated our nation's classrooms and poisons our public discourse. You know the mantra: Columbus was a greedy and egomaniacal villain who brought slavery, disease, "genocide," and ecological ruin to a previously undisturbed land. Rather than honor this legacy of "hate," the argument goes, Americans should celebrate the peaceful indigenous peoples who populated this hemisphere long before their lands were stolen by European explorers.

The war against Columbus is cloaked in the lexicon of "diversity" and the rhetoric of "inclusion." But what many of its foot soldiers do not realize is that in fact it has its intellectual roots in the not so tolerant ideologies of Marxism and white supremacy.

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#303407 - 10/09/17 09:46 PM Re: The Intellectual Roots of the War against Columbus [Re: Golem]
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Jennifer Braceras seems skilled in the art of cooking up delicious feasts of alternative facts!
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#303408 - 10/10/17 12:05 AM Re: The Intellectual Roots of the War against Columbus [Re: Golem]
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Hoo boy. That artical crammed a whole lotta dog whistles in the first paragraph alone.
'Liberal Elites', 'infiltrated', 'poison'. And that was just the warm up.
It's sad that the authoratarian mind can't have an honest discussion on objective facts anymore. This author's writing seems to serve up a bent narrative to reinforce the fever dreams of right wing subjective world view. My simple understanding was that Marx was theorizing about the uncertain future during tumultuous economic and social times. Lots of changes were happenning and he was trying to understand what it meant. He theorized where it might be leading. Economic data was limited at the time. No real records were being kept on income. Great wealth for some, great poverty for everyone else. 'Where's it going?' is what he was trying to figure out.
Good to see the old bogey man of Marx is still useful though. Even the KKK is trying to be hung around liberals necks in this article. Makes me think the ultra right is not yet ready to attack democracy yet. It's early still.....

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#303409 - 10/10/17 05:54 AM Re: The Intellectual Roots of the War against Columbus [Re: Golem]
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Christopher Columbus never set foot in ANY PART of the Continental United States, or even North America. So regardless of any thoughts, beliefs or accusations re his character, the simple fact is, the man DID NOT "discover America".
So, in the end, it does not even matter who he was, what he was like, or what he did,
because the mere fact that someone is celebrating a nonexistent achievement, also known in some circles as a gross fabrication, or a LIE, is reason enough to do away with the whole phony, stinking bucket of hogwash.
It wouldn't matter if he cured cancer in Hispaniola. He still didn't discover America.
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#303410 - 10/10/17 01:05 PM Re: The Intellectual Roots of the War against Columbus [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
So, in the end, it does not even matter who he was, what he was like, or what he did, because the mere fact that someone is celebrating a nonexistent achievement, also known in some circles as a gross fabrication, or a LIE, is reason enough to do away with the whole phony, stinking bucket of hogwash.

I'm going to have to call boolshit...

There is a statue of Columbus, ergo it is a proven historical fact that cannot ever be refuted. It would be unpatriotic to do so, and no True American would even suggest that we are not all descended from the Great Portugeezer.
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#303411 - 10/10/17 02:59 PM Re: The Intellectual Roots of the War against Columbus [Re: logtroll]
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A statue? As an intellectual liberal elite I'm going to have to call for its removal. In the dark of night by like minded leftists if necessary to thwart the protests of right wing ideologues hell bent on rewriting history to suit their nefarious goals.
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#303413 - 10/10/17 03:32 PM Re: The Intellectual Roots of the War against Columbus [Re: Greger]
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Hie thee to thy sword, knave! Thou hast called a righteous battle upon thy haid!!
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#303429 - 10/12/17 01:43 AM Re: The Intellectual Roots of the War against Columbus [Re: Golem]
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Like the faux reverence for the Confederate battle flag, there reverence of Columbus is a relatively new occurrence.
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holiday in Colorado in the autumn of 1905, and it became a federal holiday in the United States in 1937, though people have celebrated Columbus's voyage since the colonial period. In 1792, New York City and other U.S. cities celebrated the 300th anniversary of his landing in the New World.[3] President Benjamin Harrison called upon the people of the United States to celebrate Columbus's landing in the New World on the 400th anniversary of the event. During the anniversary in 1892, teachers, preachers, poets and politicians used rituals to teach ideals of patriotism. These rituals took themes such as citizenship boundaries, the importance of loyalty to the nation, and the celebration of social progress.[4][5][6]
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The author of the original article elided all of that because it doesn't support her false narrative. Moreover, other nations in our hemisphere already celebrate diversity on that date, rather than furthering the Columbus lie.

The entire article is based upon a logical fallacy:https: Post hoc ergo propter hoc. She asserts that the current objections are related to other objections, when in fact there is no correlation whatsoever. (NRO does this a lot in their articles - it's their favorite fallacious method).
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#303433 - 10/12/17 02:54 PM Re: The Intellectual Roots of the War against Columbus [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I'd like to further demonstrate the shallow and biased basis k of this author's approach. She states
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In truth, the 15th century was a time of great brutality the world over: Some Spaniards did, indeed, commit atrocities. Some of the native tribes desired war with the European explorers; others routinely engaged in human sacrifice and cannibalism. Slavery at the time was practiced across the globe (most notably in Africa, Asia, and the Arab world). But, on balance, the Spanish treated the native people more humanely than did their other European counterparts, and arguably more mercifully than many of them treated each other.
Note the sleazy use of the terms "some" and "other". This is another technique used in poor journalism and propaganda (and Trump speeches). False equivalence, another NRO staple.
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#303439 - 10/13/17 03:28 AM Re: The Intellectual Roots of the War against Columbus [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
...I'm going to have to call for its removal. In the dark of night by like minded leftists if necessary to thwart the protests of right wing ideologues hell bent on rewriting history to suit their nefarious goals.

Tiki torch carrying reichwingers will probably protest the removal of a statue dedicated to a a terrible slave-trading murderer who did not even know how to spell his own name, who landed on a Caribbean island and thought he was in Bangalore. What an idiot! coffee
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#303442 - 10/13/17 04:40 PM Re: The Intellectual Roots of the War against Columbus [Re: Golem]
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Hey, that idiot is now President, show some respe...
What? Really?
Wrong idiot? Oops.
My mistake.
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