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#298953 - 02/24/17 03:49 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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One thing that has been clearly established in the first month of the Trump administration is that if it comes from the White House, it is false. Therefore, for every assertion made from a White House podium, expect the opposite to be true. Pick a topic, I'll provide an example.
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#298954 - 02/24/17 04:58 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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i can't fade the bet

it crossed my mind this afternoon that many, if not all of his surrogates and spokespeople, say he is cleaver by presenting chaos to achieve his goals. I have until now concluded he is simply scatter brained as no logical person would attack problems like a Pollack canvas as if that were a highly successful negotiating ploy. I thought about it for a while and concluded I was correct, he is simply scatter brained.
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#298956 - 02/24/17 08:16 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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Originally Posted By: Ujest Shurly

Careful there bigswede your sounding like them radical leftists Commie, Trump hating, immigrant loving, Fake news believein, radical Liberals.

For the sake of maintaining the correct pecking order I'll try to avoid that!
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#298957 - 02/24/17 09:58 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: bigswede]
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Originally Posted By: bigswede
...feel free to continue your bigot rants.

I'm not a CONservative, so how would that work? smile
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#298960 - 02/24/17 04:16 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: bigswede
...feel free to continue your bigot rants.

I'm not a CONservative, so how would that work? smile

You are coming across as the opinionated bully #1 at this forum just fine nonetheless.
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#298962 - 02/24/17 05:11 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: bigswede]
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#298976 - 02/24/17 08:19 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: bigswede]
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Originally Posted By: bigswede
Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: bigswede
...feel free to continue your bigot rants.

I'm not a CONservative, so how would that work? smile

You are coming across as the opinionated bully #1 at this forum just fine nonetheless.

A bully for pointing out your ironic and hypocritical examples and blustering hyperbole? Are you in need of a safe space? coffee

May I suggest dead Andrew's blog? smile
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#299015 - 02/25/17 09:19 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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Let's get back to topic.
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#299017 - 02/25/17 02:48 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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During protests, it is fashionable to declare "not my president." I think that misses the point. Trump IS our President, just as Obama was their President. Unfortunately, they (and that includes Congress) never behaved as if he were, so established that standard. Also, unfortunately, he is also not acting as if he is "our" President.

By acknowledging that he is our President, we can address the larger problem: how the hell did that happen? There are so many reasons that have to be addressed - quality of candidates, vote suppression, the Electoral College, integrity of the process. We should focus on those things so, like the Holocaust, we can declare, "never again."

Trump, however, feeds the furor, because he has no humility. Other Presidents would acknowledge the closeness of the race - especially given the loss of the popular vote. But Trump is incapable of acknowledging anything other than himself. That, alone, will do immeasurable damage to the office, the process, and worst of all, the nation. My prayer is, we survive his presidency. Never in my life has that really been in question. That, now, is is something that most urgently needs to be addressed.
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A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.

Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich

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#299018 - 02/25/17 06:05 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: NW Ponderer]
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My prayer is, we survive his presidency. Never in my life has that really been in question. That, now, is is something that most urgently needs to be addressed.


"We" survived George W. Bush. "They" survived Obama. "Never in my life" only covers a fraction of our history. Most of us here were born after the end of WWII. None participated in it or recall those days before when we were attempting to rise above the Great Depression...the worst economic crisis in the history of the world.

There have been other horrible presidents in our history and somehow the Union has survived. I'm fully aware of the stormclouds over this presidency but, still and yet, I look for the silver lining. Donald Trump will fail miserably. His Congress will achieve new lows. Millions will suffer, hard lessons will be learned. But, in the end, I believe we will rise above this.
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