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#303437 - 10/12/17 10:54 PM The Trump Precedency: the 25th Amendment
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Several months ago, according to two sources with knowledge of the conversation, former chief strategist Steve Bannon told Trump that the risk to his presidency wasn’t impeachment, but the 25th Amendment—the provision by which a majority of the Cabinet can vote to remove the president. When Bannon mentioned the 25th Amendment, Trump said, “What’s that?” According to a source, Bannon has told people he thinks Trump has only a 30 percent chance of making it the full term.
“I Hate Everyone in the White House!”: Trump Seethes as Advisers Fear the President Is “Unraveling” - Vanity Fair.

We previously had some discussions about removing Trump from the presidency, and that impeachment seemed a long shot. I had opined that the 25th Amendment seemed a better option, for a number of reasons. My question here, is: Would the removal of Trump be a real precedent for the use of the 25th Amendment? The Amendment provides:
“Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.”

This question is being raised all over the MSM: When do we reach 25th Amendment territory? - Jennifer Rubin, WaPo opinion; Using the 25th Amendment to depose Trump would require a Cabinet mutiny - CNN; Why the 25th Amendment is suddenly getting so much attention - MSNBC (Maddow Blog).

I personally think the circumstances under which it might be invoked would be rare. I mean, seriously, are we likely to face another Trump-like candidate? (Before next election cycle?) Can sanity return? Obviously, removing Trump - while it would be a relief for 70% of the electorate, it would inspire militia-inspired action from his rabid, conspiracy-addled "base".
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.

Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich

#303438 - 10/13/17 02:11 AM Re: The Trump Precedency: the 25th Amendment [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Trump is the perfect virus to knock the legs out from under secular democracy.
Take a long close look at all the institutions he and his bunch have been targeting. It is not JUST "a welfare state" that is being dismantled...that's a tiny fraction of it.

It is the ENTIRE system, everything enshrined in the Constitution...the First Amendment, Fourth Amendment, 13th, 14th, you name it.
It's the social contract, the public sector, the public sphere and public works and goods.

It is also the PAID FOR safety nets like Social Security and Medicare, and it is the entire palette of public services.
And NONE of it is by accident, it is ALL by DESIGN, design which has been carefully nurtured and brought into being for forty years.
And now go and search for the people who are closest to this mission and ask yourself WHY, who benefits, and ask what the end goal is.
You can start by studying so called "Christian Reconstructionism" and the subset known as the Dominionists.
Once you understand what this group wants, ALL of this will make perfect sense.

It is NOT JUST "the one percent"...that is just the economic class warfare sector. As much as they wish they could do it all by themselves, they never could, not without great cost and unsure stability in the aftermath.
Nope, they needed an unpaid army of people who had commonality with them in their hatred of secular democracy and public services.
Wealthy right leaning libertarian billionaires have common ground with Dominionists because the above is inconvenient to them.

Dominionists hate the above because it interferes with their mission to establish dominance in the Seven Mountains.
The wealthiest one percent succeeded in tying the knot with the Dominionists in order to use them as tools, but make no mistake...the wealthiest one percent could disappear at this point and the
Dominionists would still have the necessary funds and the ways and means to make their mission a reality now.

This is the End Game, the checkmate moves.
Once secular democracy dies, and civil order collapses, we will be ripe for authoritarian theocracy and fascism, masquerading as "LAW AND ORDER", wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.
The men the American public admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth. - H. L. Mencken


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