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#303582 - 10/28/17 06:37 PM the democratic plan to win
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I keep reading and hearing about the Democratic lack of identity and their lack of a plan to attack. Trump has put an agenda on the table which they can attack without ever mentioning his name. His housing guy is clueless, the budget is going to reduce medicare by 500 BILLION dollars (and cut a lot of other stuff), our government stand on the environment lets, pretty much, anybody to do anything. the Lying Jackass has presented the dems with opportunities. They don't have to promise the world just promise to fix gov. I am not sure that they shouldn't also go after the 1% just on principle.

Just a thought...............

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#303585 - 10/28/17 08:35 PM Re: the democratic plan to win [Re: jgw]
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I agree that the Democrats have a huge opportunity if they can take it: FAIR tax reform, competent government, real concern for the working man. Trump represents maybe 20% of the population, but he has exposed the plaucity of Republican ideas. If they focus on core AMERICAN values, they can do what FDR did in the 30s-40s. Unite and conquer.
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#303588 - 10/28/17 09:57 PM Re: the democratic plan to win [Re: jgw]
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Just promise to fix everything Trump has broken. They really need to pound in that message: "Trump = broken". Every other sentence out of a Democratic candidate's mouth should allude to "Trump = broken".

Then restore all the rules, put competent people in charge of agencies, put the inheritance tax exemption back to 5 million, and put the income tax rates and rules back to what they are now.

The average voter needs simple catch phrases these days. No more elaborate economic theories that lose the audience, no matter how smart the candidates are.

Maybe in the next election, the catch phrase could be "No morons allowed".

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#303590 - 10/29/17 01:55 AM Re: the democratic plan to win [Re: jgw]
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Two Dems different views on how Dems win. Who's correct, Joy or Van?



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#303592 - 10/29/17 04:12 AM Re: the democratic plan to win [Re: jgw]
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Legalize weed, Medicare for all, campaign finance reform, large jobs package centered on infrastructure and energy grid . Basically Bernie Sanders.

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#303597 - 10/29/17 08:53 PM Re: the democratic plan to win [Re: jgw]
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I watched some of the hearings they had on the energy grid when Obama thought he could fix it. It was an incredible mess. Seems that EVERYBODY has something to say about the energy grid from a plain citizen and each step up through gov, ie, citizen, town/city, county, state, fed and all the various agencies up through all of that. The only way that any part of the grid is going to get fixed is for it to completely fail (and that could actually happen! (its old, vulnerable to hacking, tired, and pretty shaky)). Then there will be a chance. Hopefully, somebody in go has put together a plan, and updated it regularly as tech changes, to create/fix/rebuild any given grid if its necessary.

I know, more wishful thinking <sigh>

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#303606 - 10/30/17 01:42 PM Re: the democratic plan to win [Re: jgw]
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I think that there is a great deal of sentiment that the Democratic party can win by BECOMING the "common sense" party. They have better ideas on taxes, healthcare, the economy, social justice... Really, almost everything. They just don't sell them as well as the hucksters.
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#303608 - 10/30/17 04:26 PM Re: the democratic plan to win [Re: jgw]
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They don't sell them at all, they CAVE.
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#303610 - 10/30/17 05:28 PM Re: the democratic plan to win [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
chunkstyle Offline
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Caving might not be as accurate as they pander?
Like the right, they have said all the right emotional things that make them sound like progressives but their legislative actions don't back it up.
The obstacles thrown in front of Sanders campaign by the DNC illustrated to me the extent of the rot in that party (I won't even bring up the recent purge at the DNC of the Sanders and Ellison people).

Trump represents the rot that has settled into the republican party and it's media machine.

Democrats are captured as much as the Republicans by the Powell Memorandum. We've had neoliberalism from both parties ever since with all it's accumulated social, civic, economic and now scientific damage, IMHO.

A true inclusive populist (such as we had in Sanders) that can unite the left and right and drop the red team blue team distractions ( as Sanders managed to do, evidenced by polling during the primaries) would be a good start.

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#303613 - 10/30/17 06:33 PM Re: the democratic plan to win [Re: jgw]
chunkstyle Offline
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Oh and terminal environmental damage should also be on that neoliberal contribution.
Lemme ask: who do you think has visited DAVOS in the last two decades? Clinton or Sanders?

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