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#303755 - 11/07/17 08:28 PM Re: Gun Control [Re: joebialek123]
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Paul Ryan Defends His Call For Prayers After Texas Mass Shooting: ‘Prayer Works’
“It’s disappointing, it’s sad, and this is what you’ll get from the far secular left. People who do not have faith don’t understand faith, I guess I’d have to say. And it is the right thing to do is to pray in moments like this, because you know what? Prayer works. And I know you believe that, and I believe that and when you hear the secular left doing this thing, it’s no wonder you have so much polarization and disunity in this country when people think like that.”

Wishful thinking works just as often. I got nothing against prayer, in church where it belongs. In government I want to see meaningful legislation though.
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#303758 - 11/07/17 08:58 PM Re: Gun Control [Re: joebialek123]
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The right thing to do is to make damn sure the Armed Forces are reporting Court Marshal verdicts and domestic violence to the federal background check database people. They admitted today that they failed to do that in this case.

Paul Ryan is welcome to pray if he wants. But sometimes the answer to your prayers is: "NO" Prayer works, but only in the sense that it makes the person praying feel better. God is omniscient: He already knows what you want.

Jesus said VERY SPECIFICALLY that your prayers should be a private thing. Pharisees make a big deal about public prayer and Jesus hated those guys. I don't even think he would have approved of people gathering together and praying in groups.

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#303761 - 11/07/17 11:56 PM Re: Gun Control [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Wishful thinking works just as often.


Like my old friend Jimmy H. always said, "Wish in one hand and shiitt in the other and see which one fills up first."
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#303782 - 11/08/17 08:58 PM Re: Gun Control [Re: Greger]
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“Faith” is a funny thing. The Texas gunman Stephen Willeford, the man who shot the church murderer, said he was scared but that his God protected him because he was doing the right thing. Or words to that effect.

That leaves me wondering- is this the same God that those church goers were praying to? Or does Mr. Willeford have a better God that listens and answers his prayers while “allowing” the church attendees to be brutally mowed down.

What am I missing?

Can anyone help me here?
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#303785 - 11/08/17 09:19 PM Re: Gun Control [Re: joebialek123]
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Everybody ever in the history of Earth dies. God has no problem with death. I guess all those people in the church had to die so Mr. Willeford could do his thing and inspire us all.

He's a "good guy with a gun". I suppose it had to happen sometime. Even a blind pig finds an acorn every once in a while.

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#303794 - 11/09/17 12:18 AM Re: Gun Control [Re: Ken Condon]
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Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
Can anyone help me here?

Dude, you are in my thoughts and prayers...
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#303819 - 11/09/17 07:44 PM Re: Gun Control [Re: Ken Condon]
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God moves in mysterious ways

you have any tough questions?????
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#303825 - 11/09/17 09:29 PM Re: Gun Control [Re: joebialek123]
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Here is something that could actually get done. Everybody write to their state legislators and ask them for a law that would restrict gun sales to actual citizens of that state (with photo id). This would go a long way in restricting people buying in one state and then selling in another - illegally.

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#303893 - 11/12/17 06:53 PM Re: Gun Control [Re: jgw]
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What Explains U.S. Mass Shootings? International Comparisons Suggest an Answer NYT. Short answer:
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4.4% of world population owns 42% of world guns. In reality, that's really only 36% of US population owning 42% of firearms in the whole world.
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#303895 - 11/12/17 08:01 PM Re: Gun Control [Re: NW Ponderer]
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That's right, we they still don't have enough guns!
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