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#304139 - 11/26/17 11:31 PM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: pdx rick]
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Thanks for posting the debate, Rick. I had missed it and hadn't thought to look it up. Bernie mopped the floor with him.
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#304170 - 12/01/17 01:43 AM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: NW Ponderer]
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NOW the media is, finally, mentioning that the Republican tax plan assaults Medicare an and Medicaid. Not only that but even the Democrats have decided that they will at least mention the assaults. It almost makes me hopeful but, until they start hammering on it I won't get my hopes up. I find the entire thing absolutely strange. The media hasn't really mentioned it, the Dems have been absolutely silent on it and NOW they seem to have at least noticed - incredible!!!!!!!

The only thing I can think of is that the left has joined me in allowing this thing to become law, upset the elderly and poor, so they can get back into power. Sorry, maybe not...........

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#304171 - 12/01/17 01:46 AM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Oh let them have their government shutdown tantrum.
Every time they pull that stunt, it pisses off more and more of their supporters.
They're only going to get away with it a couple more times before they pay the ultimate price.
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#304190 - 12/02/17 09:03 AM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Well, I thought that Trump was the worst thing to afflict America this year, so Congress decided to out- Trump him by passing that unmitigated disaster of a "Tax bill" in the wee hours of the morning on a weekend. I expect a new recession by the end of next year.
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#304194 - 12/02/17 04:45 PM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I expect a new recession by the end of next year.


Yes, it's coming. I'm not going to try to predict when, but it appears to be inevitable and the sooner it occurs the better it will be for everyone involved. I'm hoping it happens before the 2020 elections but it took George Bush two disastrous terms to bring on one.

Our government is in shambles. Our economy can't be far behind.
I've said before that the only way to prove to Republicans that they are wrong is to give them everything they want.
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#304195 - 12/02/17 05:01 PM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
I've said before that the only way to prove to Republicans that they are wrong is to give them everything they want.

Nah... there is no way to prove to them that they are wrong. You just wait.
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#304197 - 12/02/17 06:13 PM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Everyone who voted FOR this tax plan is an enemy of the United States, period. Full stop.
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#304202 - 12/02/17 08:20 PM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Well...certainly an enemy of the middle-class and those making less than $75K a year, for sure. Hmm
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#304204 - 12/02/17 09:45 PM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: NW Ponderer]
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and everybody over 65 on medicare. OH, all Muslims, blacks, browns, etc., all females not needing more male oversight, the majority of those under 30, etc., etc., etc. (basically most with half a mind (and some over 65 with less than half a mind))

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#304213 - 12/03/17 08:00 PM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: jgw]
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I'm very worried about what this mega tax cut will do. Many of its provisions are directly aimed at blue States, and democratic voters. Most of it is aimed at bolstering Republican donors. The problem is, it will be very hard to undo. Almost every credible economist views it as dangerously wrong, but supply-side fetishist-fantacists love it.

At this point, something along the lines of the Senate version (whatever it actually is), will become law. Bad law, but law. I think the most likely scenario is - Doug Jones wins in Alabama, and the Senate margin shrinks to 0. So, Ryan rallies the House to simply pass the Senate bill, rather than go to reconciliation - because only one Senator needs to grow a conscience and it dies. Lobbying against it will be intense, once enough people know what's in it.
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